What do you call selling out? (hardcore, indie, solo, quote)

anticipation · 10-06-2007, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RezZ

Were talking about people who are very good at there instruments and are serious about it as a career....

When did you ever say this?
You were just talking about any band that has a decent amount of talent automatically wants to be incredibly popular.

Dr_Rez · 10-06-2007, 01:05 PM

forget it. your straying from what i said. im done

Wayfarer · 10-06-2007, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RezZ

O come on dude, think about what your saying. Noone who is good would be content playing in a garage or continually at tiny shows.

O rly?

cardboard adolescent · 10-06-2007, 01:17 PM

To me there's different reasons for making music, you can make music to make an artistic statement, to entertain, or to spread your message. If you're making music to entertain or spread a message, changing your style to be more publicly accessible is really in keeping with your main goals, it's basically the equivalent of musicians practicing to increase their technical abilities (unless of course you're spreading a diy anti-consumerist message, in which case that would just be hypocrisy). So in those cases, I don't think it really makes sense to talk about "selling out." If, on the other hand, you're trying to make an artistic statement but you find that nobody really cares about art anymore, they just care about catchy hooks and soothing sounds, so you change your style to sell more I think it makes sense to talk about selling out, since your original motivation for making music has been left behind. I think most musicians that are really concerned with art, however, tend not to do this, or if they do change their sound it still contains traces of their original purpose.

In the case of the first two, however, I think bands that serve simply to entertain or spread their message get accused of selling out a lot when really they're just undergoing a natural progression and the fans are just bitter that they've been left behind. I don't feel that a band has an obligation to make the records their fans want to hear.

ProggyMan · 10-06-2007, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill

Well you see, alot of musicians have these things called morals and alot of these musicians hate the music industry, the RIAA and all that crap. Once again, not all bands are in it for the money to say that is one of the most ignorant and stupid generalizations ever.

No it's not, just because they say they would turn it down desn't mean they'd be able to when a big label offered them millions of dollars.

Dr_Rez · 10-06-2007, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent

To me there's different reasons for making music, you can make music to make an artistic statement, to entertain, or to spread your message. If you're making music to entertain or spread a message, changing your style to be more publicly accessible is really in keeping with your main goals, it's basically the equivalent of musicians practicing to increase their technical abilities (unless of course you're spreading a diy anti-consumerist message, in which case that would just be hypocrisy). So in those cases, I don't think it really makes sense to talk about "selling out." If, on the other hand, you're trying to make an artistic statement but you find that nobody really cares about art anymore, they just care about catchy hooks and soothing sounds, so you change your style to sell more I think it makes sense to talk about selling out, since your original motivation for making music has been left behind. I think most musicians that are really concerned with art, however, tend not to do this, or if they do change their sound it still contains traces of their original purpose.

In the case of the first two, however, I think bands that serve simply to entertain or spread their message get accused of selling out a lot when really they're just undergoing a natural progression and the fans are just bitter that they've been left behind. I don't feel that a band has an obligation to make the records their fans want to hear.

i fully agree. good post

sleepy jack · 10-06-2007, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ProggyMan

No it's not, just because they say they would turn it down desn't mean they'd be able to when a big label offered them millions of dollars.

Are you not getting through to what i'm saying? Do I have to place it in the form of a pretentious song in ridiculous clothing with stupid solos and a lame band name like King Crimson and Dream Theater? There are tons of band who didn't and don't want to make it big.

Dr_Rez · 10-06-2007, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill

Are you not getting through to what i'm saying? Do I have to place it in the form of a pretentious song in ridiculous clothing with stupid solos and a lame band name like King Crimson and Dream Theater? There are tons of band who didn't and don't want to make it big.

i wouldnt go as far as saying tons

sleepy jack · 10-06-2007, 01:31 PM

Yeah but I would.

Dr_Rez · 10-06-2007, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill

Yeah but I would.

lol agree to disagree then

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cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,503	To me there's different reasons for making music, you can make music to make an artistic statement, to entertain, or to spread your message. If you're making music to entertain or spread a message, changing your style to be more publicly accessible is really in keeping with your main goals, it's basically the equivalent of musicians practicing to increase their technical abilities (unless of course you're spreading a diy anti-consumerist message, in which case that would just be hypocrisy). So in those cases, I don't think it really makes sense to talk about "selling out." If, on the other hand, you're trying to make an artistic statement but you find that nobody really cares about art anymore, they just care about catchy hooks and soothing sounds, so you change your style to sell more I think it makes sense to talk about selling out, since your original motivation for making music has been left behind. I think most musicians that are really concerned with art, however, tend not to do this, or if they do change their sound it still contains traces of their original purpose. In the case of the first two, however, I think bands that serve simply to entertain or spread their message get accused of selling out a lot when really they're just undergoing a natural progression and the fans are just bitter that they've been left behind. I don't feel that a band has an obligation to make the records their fans want to hear.