Biggest sell-outs? (metal, rock, genre, sinatra, metallica)

boo boo · 06-11-2007, 08:48 AM

Even if Linkin Park weren't in it just for the money it wouldn't really redeem the fact that I don't care for their music.

Well I like some songs, like Pts.Of.Athrty. But thats pretty much it. Their music just strikes me as too repetitive and pretentious, and coming from me thats saying something.

Sound Devastation · 06-11-2007, 10:55 AM

I dont like Linkin Park and he's probably saying it all for the wrong reasons... but i agree 100% with what he's trying to say.

Having seen a release from the 'other side' i know how much money and effort needs to go into a package thats any more than a jewel case, and LP are a band who have always release nice packages. whether or not its their own doing, or if they even care about it, i dont know.... but someone has put effort into it. It might be a marketing scam... but if putting cool, unusual items into a CD make people buy the CD rather than download it... then everyone gets more from it, so does it really matter?

We love putting 'extras' in with our releases.. Aotea comes with a lolipop! do we do it as marketing? not really.. we just like to give our listeners something a little extra that makes them smile when they open it up.

i not really supporting LP here.. they're ****. im just supporting CDs and artwork...

Inuzuka Skysword · 06-11-2007, 11:02 AM

LP CDs do not have good artwork. I, at like the age of 8 or 9 like LP. All the packages were nothing new. Avant-Garde artists put out the best album artwork.

Ulgor · 12-30-2007, 07:36 PM

(Yeah, I'm new here, hey what's up yadda yadda all that jazz)

What band do you think is the biggest sell-out in music history? I don't mean bands that are the most commercial and made the most money (3 Doors Down, for example, have recently made a commercial for the National Guard: I don't consider this selling-out because they never claimed to be doing anything but making money with their music, they never tried to be counterculture or indie). I'm thinking more along the lines of a band that made itself known within a specific subculture or with a specific style of music (alternative, grunge, emo, indie, and punk are the most common), and then latched onto more mainstream trends in order to become more successful, in the process compromising their original creativity.

The biggest one for me is Against Me!, which once made a documentary about how punk it was and how it would never sell-out, and has recently appeared, for example, on the cover of People magazine. Another candidate is The Quarrymen who, in the late 1950s, an English skiffle group that later abandoned their leather jackets, bar room concerts, and rockabilly-tinged pub rock and created a pop sound, eventually becoming The Beatles, arguably the most commercial rock band ever.

Of course, in the defense of The Beatles, they eventually abandoned those pop instincts to make music increasingly oriented towards the American underground and counterculture (see: The White Album).

sleepy jack · 12-30-2007, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kujo

bands that sell out are cool as long as they do it in a classy way; ex: modest mouse didnt change their sound while switching to a huge label.....conor on the other hand sold his music to sony and released his crappiest two albums clearly aimed at a more mainstream sound

I realize this is an old post but I feel like responding to it anyway just to point out a few things.

1. Saddle Creek affiliated themselves with Sony. Artists typically don't have any control over what they do and don't do.
2. I'm Wide Awake, It's Morning was just an expansion on Lifted but more folk rooted and less orchestrated and Digital Ash was very similar to Fevers & Mirrors.
3. Modest Mouse DID change their sound...like I don't even think I have to say anymore just because it's pretty apparent.

lucylamppost · 12-30-2007, 09:15 PM

john mellencamp

George Butch · 12-31-2007, 11:51 AM

Metallica most likely.

Although I agree with a lot said about LP.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 12-31-2007, 11:53 AM

How the hell does Linkin Park manage to sell out when they were pre-fabricated record company puppets right from the start?

Rainard Jalen · 12-31-2007, 12:44 PM

I'd say Nickelback and Michael Bolton are the biggest sellouts. Starting out as the very pinnacles of innovation within their given genres, they stifled their creativity for years to come just in order to stay mainstream, safe and popular.

Nickelback haven't produced an artistic, creative masterpiece since The State (2001) and I doubt they'll ever reach those heights again. As for Michael Bolton, I can at least happily say that he's transcended industry expectations in his latest offering, Bolton Swings Sinatra. This offers at least a final ray of hope, a small beacon of light on a pitch-dark horizon, that Mike will produce a final Magnum Opus to match the ecstatic, sublime heights of Soul Provider (1989). I suggest anybody should check out his collaborative effort with Bob Dylan, on that very album.

YSHKMWYHTC · 12-31-2007, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen

I'd say Nickelback and Michael Bolton are the biggest sellouts. Starting out as the very pinnacles of innovation within their given genres, they stifled their creativity for years to come just in order to stay mainstream, safe and popular.

haha his name always makes me laugh.

Sellouts?
Metallica I guess, but that should have changed hopefully now that the douche producer is gone.
Machine Head for a while, but then came back on track after they got off the Nu-metal band wagon.
Lost Prophets.

06-11-2007, 10:55 AM	#72 (permalink)
Sound Devastation Music Addict Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 728	I dont like Linkin Park and he's probably saying it all for the wrong reasons... but i agree 100% with what he's trying to say. Having seen a release from the 'other side' i know how much money and effort needs to go into a package thats any more than a jewel case, and LP are a band who have always release nice packages. whether or not its their own doing, or if they even care about it, i dont know.... but someone has put effort into it. It might be a marketing scam... but if putting cool, unusual items into a CD make people buy the CD rather than download it... then everyone gets more from it, so does it really matter? We love putting 'extras' in with our releases.. Aotea comes with a lolipop! do we do it as marketing? not really.. we just like to give our listeners something a little extra that makes them smile when they open it up. i not really supporting LP here.. they're **. im just supporting CDs and artwork... __________________ Out soon... AMENRA - Mass III 2xLP [stunning vinyl release of the belgian sludgecore giants epic 06 album] FALL OF EFRAFA - Owsla & Elil CD&LP [British crust/doom/post-metal band Fall of Efrafa deliver part two (Elil) on their dark conceptual trilogy. Part one (Owsla) will also be re-released for the first time in the UK] * visit... Sound Devastation Records website**

12-30-2007, 07:36 PM	#74 (permalink)
Ulgor Groupie Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Easton, PA Posts: 1	Biggest sell-outs? (Yeah, I'm new here, hey what's up yadda yadda all that jazz) What band do you think is the biggest sell-out in music history? I don't mean bands that are the most commercial and made the most money (3 Doors Down, for example, have recently made a commercial for the National Guard: I don't consider this selling-out because they never claimed to be doing anything but making money with their music, they never tried to be counterculture or indie). I'm thinking more along the lines of a band that made itself known within a specific subculture or with a specific style of music (alternative, grunge, emo, indie, and punk are the most common), and then latched onto more mainstream trends in order to become more successful, in the process compromising their original creativity. The biggest one for me is Against Me!, which once made a documentary about how punk it was and how it would never sell-out, and has recently appeared, for example, on the cover of People magazine. Another candidate is The Quarrymen who, in the late 1950s, an English skiffle group that later abandoned their leather jackets, bar room concerts, and rockabilly-tinged pub rock and created a pop sound, eventually becoming The Beatles, arguably the most commercial rock band ever. Of course, in the defense of The Beatles, they eventually abandoned those pop instincts to make music increasingly oriented towards the American underground and counterculture (see: The White Album).

12-30-2007, 09:15 PM	#76 (permalink)
lucylamppost I'm a figure of forgotten Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: canada Posts: 349	john mellencamp __________________

12-31-2007, 11:53 AM	#78 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	How the hell does Linkin Park manage to sell out when they were pre-fabricated record company puppets right from the start? __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

06-11-2007, 11:02 AM	#73 (permalink)
Inuzuka Skysword Existential Egoist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,468	LP CDs do not have good artwork. I, at like the age of 8 or 9 like LP. All the packages were nothing new. Avant-Garde artists put out the best album artwork.

12-31-2007, 11:51 AM	#77 (permalink)
George Butch Groupie Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2	Metallica most likely. Although I agree with a lot said about LP.

12-31-2007, 12:44 PM	#79 (permalink)
Rainard Jalen Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,221	I'd say Nickelback and Michael Bolton are the biggest sellouts. Starting out as the very pinnacles of innovation within their given genres, they stifled their creativity for years to come just in order to stay mainstream, safe and popular. Nickelback haven't produced an artistic, creative masterpiece since The State (2001) and I doubt they'll ever reach those heights again. As for Michael Bolton, I can at least happily say that he's transcended industry expectations in his latest offering, Bolton Swings Sinatra. This offers at least a final ray of hope, a small beacon of light on a pitch-dark horizon, that Mike will produce a final Magnum Opus to match the ecstatic, sublime heights of Soul Provider (1989). I suggest anybody should check out his collaborative effort with Bob Dylan, on that very album.