The Explain Why You Like This Album ('cause i don't understand) Thread

[duga]

Just click the multi quote button on each post you want. On the last one hit quote. You will be all set.

[dankrsta]

Originally Posted by ImmortalDiotima

It's just easier for me to organize my thoughts if i do one at a time. But also... I can't figure out how to use that multi-quote thing. Help?

You chose what posts you want to quote by clicking that multi-quote button, right next to quote button, on every one of those posts. The multi-quote button will change color. Then you hit the big quote button on any of the posts you've chosen. That way you can write your answer under every quote in one post. I hope I didn't make this seem more complex then it is

Edit: Alright, duga already explained, and in one sentence (I mean three short ones).

[ImmortalDiotima]

Thanks guys! It was that last detail about hitting the quote button that i wasn't getting when I was trying to do it before. That will make life much easier

[Unknown Soldier]

Originally Posted by ImmortalDiotima

But... as this is not the entire subject matter of the band... and as Satanism and/or anti-Christianity is the (almost) ENTIRE subject matter of Slayer's music... the analogy is not great.

Nearly all the ENTIRE subject matter of this forum revolves around music. Most of the posters on here aren`t musicians, yet they discuss music on here. Does this make them fake, given the fact that they aren`t musicians?

Originally Posted by ImmortalDiotima

Second, before you criticize Varg Vikernes based on the Norwegian penal system (it's not HIS fault the jails there are more lenient and, conveniently, more EFFECTIVE than our "brand them and throw them in the trash to rot" system) perhaps you should consider how he got there in the first place. I'd say that BURNING DOWN CHURCHES and STABBING YOUR FRIEND IN THE FOREHEAD WITH A KNIFE are levels of "extreme" that would make a god-fearing Catholic such as Araya piss in his pants just to watch.

I think you`re an apologist for Varg Vikernes.

Originally Posted by ImmortalDiotima

Calling someone's viewpoint warped is certainly an ineffective way to converse with them.

Not when that person goes round and round in circles.

[Unknown Soldier]

Originally Posted by ImmortalDiotima

Um... I'd say that since you offered more than three examples of metal genres where you can't usually hear the lyrics and only one genre and two singers where you can... that perhaps the first example IS the majority. I think it is.

Also, please don't presume to know what I listen to. I happen to listen to power metal.

Didn`t see this little snippet till after posting.

I think we both know what I`m speaking about here. The reference to power metal was just one example from a majority of metal genres, as opposed to the minority where vocals aren`t really understood at all, so lets not split hairs.

[ImmortalDiotima]

Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

Nearly all the ENTIRE subject matter of this forum revolves around music. Most of the posters on here aren`t musicians, yet they discuss music on here. Does this make them fake, given the fact that they aren`t musicians?



I think you`re an apologist for Varg Vikernes.



Not when that person goes round and round in circles.

Music is not only something you play, but something you listen to. This forum is for music. Not musicians only. Music listeners, I'm sure, have something to say about music.
Also, if a band is singing about what fun it is to perform abortions but they have never performed abortions, that is one thing. If the members of said band happen to be life-long dedicated members of a an anti-abortion activist group... i would be perturbed. Why are you singing about how fun it is to perform abortions when you have a deeply held belief that abortion is the ultimate evil?
That, to me, is the difference between singing about something you do not practice, and promoting something with your music that is the exact opposite of your most deeply held ideals.

I'm not really sure where you are getting my apologist standpoint from. i was merely responding to the statement you made that Varg knows nothing about extreme (suggesting that Tom Araya does?) by mentioning that if you were to compare the two, Varg is most definitely the more extreme. I had previously stated that I don't necessarily agree with Varg's ideals or actions.

And, no, attacking someone in a rude way is not effective, even if you think they are going around in circles.

You, however, are going around in circles because you have attempted to deter me from MY OWN OPINION with the same tactics (offering up faulty analogies) over and over again.

Why exactly is it that you are so determined to deter me from my opinion? The point of this thread is to offer reasons why you like a band/album that others don't like. Not to attack people based on their reasons for disliking them.

Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

Didn`t see this little snippet till after posting.

I think we both know what I`m speaking about here. The reference to power metal was just one example from a majority of metal genres, as opposed to the minority where vocals aren`t really understood at all, so lets not split hairs.

To be honest... I'm not splitting hairs. I'm merely suggesting that I think the amount of metal bands with indiscernible lyrics has the majority over the amount of metal bands with lyrics you can understand.

For instance, the only genres (that I can think of) in which you can usually hear the lyrics are classic metal and power metal. Classic metal is a dead genre. There are no new classic metal bands and there are very few modern bands who imitate classic bands such as iron maiden or black sabbath. That leaves one genre... power metal... which is not (in my experience) the largest of the metal genres. You could even include thrash as having usually clear and i would still say that:

Death and black metal (I think) are the largest genres (and include many sub-genres) and usually you cannot hear the lyrics. Therefore... I do not consider it to be splitting hairs to suggest that the majority of metal bands that exist or have existed have vocals with indiscernible lyrics.

[Unknown Soldier]

Originally Posted by ImmortalDiotima

Also, if a band is singing about what fun it is to perform abortions but they have never performed abortions, that is one thing. If the members of said band happen to be life-long dedicated members of a an anti-abortion activist group... i would be perturbed. Why are you singing about how fun it is to perform abortions when you have a deeply held belief that abortion is the ultimate evil?

I'm not really sure where you are getting my apologist standpoint from. i was merely responding to the statement you made that Varg knows nothing about extreme (suggesting that Tom Araya does?) by mentioning that if you were to compare the two, Varg is most definitely the more extreme. I had previously stated that I don't necessarily agree with Varg's ideals or actions.

You, however, are going around in circles because you have attempted to deter me from MY OWN OPINION with the same tactics (offering up faulty analogies) over and over again.

Why exactly is it that you are so determined to deter me from my opinion? The point of this thread is to offer reasons why you like a band/album that others don't like. Not to attack people based on their reasons for disliking them.

I was listening to Blind Guardian earlier and as usual they were singing about Middle Earth, swords and scorcery, wizards and dragons etc. I doubt they participate in quests against the dark lord of Mordor etc............sounds like another bunch of metal fakes to me, but it certainly beats singing about abortions though

Given that you constantly prattle on, about how Varg Vikernes follows his ideals (Then you constantly say you don`t condone his actions) and its not his fault that he`s treated leniantly in prison (Yet you approve of the leniancy of these prisons) About how he`d have Tom Araya pissing in his pants (Because Varg actually does the stuff that Tom wouldn`t) Certainly leads the reader to conclude that you have a certain amount of admiration for the man.

I don`t think anybody is going to deter your opinion, as you`re too far gone just to appreciate the simple things in life, like good metal music, instead of analyzing whether the group concerned, practices what it preaches or not.

[OctaneHugo]

Originally Posted by ImmortalDiotima

Listen to classic or power metal. Some thrash and death metal even, like Chuck Schuldiner. Or read the lyrics

I don't like SCREAMYGROWLY vocals. Knowing what's being sung is a plus but I just don't like it when some a‎sshole gets up and does a bunch of that kind of thing.

Vocals are also just a part of my general disgust towards much metal that I've listened to.

Originally Posted by ImmortalDiotima

It's just easier for me to organize my thoughts if i do one at a time. But also... I can't figure out how to use that multi-quote thing. Help?

You could just open the quotes in different tabs and copy+paste them into the same thing but whatever bro

[Unknown Soldier]

Originally Posted by ImmortalDiotima

To be honest... I'm not splitting hairs. I'm merely suggesting that I think the amount of metal bands with indiscernible lyrics has the majority over the amount of metal bands with lyrics you can understand.

For instance, the only genres (that I can think of) in which you can usually hear the lyrics are classic metal and power metal. Classic metal is a dead genre. There are no new classic metal bands and there are very few modern bands who imitate classic bands such as iron maiden or black sabbath. That leaves one genre... power metal... which is not (in my experience) the largest of the metal genres. You could even include thrash as having usually clear and i would still say that:

Death and black metal (I think) are the largest genres (and include many sub-genres) and usually you cannot hear the lyrics. Therefore... I do not consider it to be splitting hairs to suggest that the majority of metal bands that exist or have existed have vocals with indiscernible lyrics.

We could sit here and go through about the 20-30 metal genres and I`m certain the majority without any doubt has discernible lyrics, when I say discernible I`m talking the majority of their material is receptive to the ear and doesn`t involve growls, snarls, screams and shrieking to the excess of the example I gave on a previous thread here.

[ImmortalDiotima]

Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

I was listening to Blind Guardian earlier and as usual they were singing about Middle Earth, swords and scorcery, wizards and dragons etc. I doubt they participate in quests against the dark lord of Mordor etc............sounds like another bunch of metal fakes to me, but it certainly beats singing about abortions though

Given that you constantly prattle on, about how Varg Vikernes follows his ideals (Then you constantly say you don`t condone his actions) and its not his fault that he`s treated leniantly in prison (Yet you approve of the leniancy of these prisons) About how he`d have Tom Araya pissing in his pants (Because Varg actually does the stuff that Tom wouldn`t) Certainly leads the reader to conclude that you have a certain amount of admiration for the man.

I don`t think anybody is going to deter your opinion, as you`re too far gone just to appreciate the simple things in life, like good metal music, instead of analyzing whether the group concerned, practices what it preaches or not.

I cease to recognize the point of anything you say. As you constantly refuse to actually read and digest anything I have said, twisting it, instead, into some misinterpreted glob of whatever you feel like arguing against without actually referring to a single point that I have made... be sure that the last person who could deter my opinion would be you and your way of arguing.

I shall from this point forward ignore your remarks unless, by some miracle, you manage to say something which requires an actual thought process and not just a rude attitude.

(Oh and if we'd like to talk about prattling on... your comment about Blind Guardian completely ignores the distinction I made and is, in fact, identical to the same comment you have repeatedly made and to which I have offered a multi-faceted and diverse argument, which you continue to ignore)

Originally Posted by OctaneHugo

I don't like SCREAMYGROWLY vocals. Knowing what's being sung is a plus but I just don't like it when some a‎sshole gets up and does a bunch of that kind of thing.

Vocals are also just a part of my general disgust towards much metal that I've listened to.



You could just open the quotes in different tabs and copy+paste them into the same thing but whatever bro

Ok well then I would suggest power metal or classic metal since most of the vocals are clean. But if you don't like metal you don't like metal.

Um, I've since been shown how to use the multi-quote function. I'm not sure why you feel the need to take an attitude with me here... but by the way... I'm not a bro. I'm a woman.

Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

We could sit here and go through about the 20-30 metal genres and I`m certain the majority without any doubt has discernible lyrics, when I say discernible I`m talking the majority of their material is receptive to the ear and doesn`t involve growls, snarls, screams and shrieking to the excess of the example I gave on a previous thread here.

I simply disagree.