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asshat 08-05-2009 01:34 PM

http://www.jgarage.com/images/TalkingHeads1.jpg


....I know a lot of people love the talking heads, so I'll try to be respectful. This album has some solid grooves(crosseyed and painless for one)....the difference between this and parliament though is parliament sounds like they're actually having fun.Yeah the main culprit in my heavy dislike of the heads is david byrne...it's like having to listen robin williams or a mad scientist front a funk band....It's like your listening to a solid afro-beat album but having your anthropology prof talk over it.

...Yeah I'll admit that the music is kind of interesting and they're pretty innovative...there's just such a heavy prescence of art-school pretension...courtesy of david byrne, that drives me away.

"once in a lifetime" is the most cringe inducing song ever.

boo boo 08-05-2009 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asshat (Post 714954)
it's like having to listen robin williams or a mad scientist front a funk band.....

Heh, you pretty much described the reason they appeal to me right there.

asshat 08-05-2009 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boo boo (Post 714955)
Heh, you pretty much described the reason they appeal to me right there.

...what's with the early 80's and people that sing like mad scientists?:thomas dolby, devo, b-52's...etc..to give him credit thomas dolby actually was a scientist.

TheCunningStunt 02-16-2010 05:35 PM

Albums that people seem to love, that you don't.
 
Apologies if this has already been done, and it probably has been but I couldn't find a thread.

But..

What are them albums that everyone seemed to love that you either can't stand/hate/dislike or never 'got'?

Mine..

http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/image...60467010.L.jpg

My Bloody Valentine - Loveless

http://happyjokes.files.wordpress.co...970c-800wi.jpg

Velvet Underground & Nico - Andy Warhol

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Manic Street Preachers - The Holy Bible (although, I like this a lot more these days. Still not crazy over it though.)

mr dave 02-16-2010 05:38 PM

anything by Bob Dylan, Leonard Cohen, or The Smiths.

duga 02-16-2010 05:38 PM

Ok you are not starting a thread like this and your first post for it is Loveless????

Now, I know to each his own...but damn, man.

And I know I am now proving your point. But, for shame...

TheCunningStunt 02-16-2010 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr dave (Post 827335)
anything by Bob Dylan, Leonard Cohen, or The Smiths.

:( This makes me sad.

Quote:

Originally Posted by duga (Post 827336)
Ok you are not starting a thread like this and your first post for it is Loveless????

Now, I know to each his own...but damn, man.

And I know I am now proving your point. But, for shame...

I just don't like it, distorted guitar riffs, where you can't hear the singer or the lyrics. No drums either. It's more a matter of not getting it than hate..

What's the big deal with it? Mediocre at best for me.

mr dave 02-16-2010 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt (Post 827339)
:( This makes me sad.

but i love Loveless so we're even hahaha

TheCunningStunt 02-16-2010 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr dave (Post 827340)
but i love Loveless so we're even hahaha

That's just ONE album. You hate 3 brilliant Smiths albums!

3-1, I will find 2 other albums you love, and hate on them. Just to spite you.

duga 02-16-2010 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt (Post 827339)
What's the big deal with it? Mediocre at best for me.

I can see where you are coming from...but I still to this day consider Loveless to be the ultimate "I get it!!!" album. I hated it first time I heard it...I heard tiny hints of amazing melodies that I just wanted to be more clear, and nothing was ever as defined as I wanted it to be. But then I got it, I guess. I could all the sudden hear those melodies and loved that he could create them in such a mess of guitars. The music is meant to be heard as a big amorphous sound...the songs are entities within themselves.

Well, you get the idea...I doubt it will change your mind. At least you like the Smiths. You saved yourself on that one.

NumberNineDream 02-16-2010 05:52 PM

A thread like this already exists, and it has 1640 replies,

http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...-opinions.html

mr dave 02-16-2010 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt (Post 827343)
That's just ONE album. You hate 3 brilliant Smiths albums!

3-1, I will find 2 other albums you love, and hate on them. Just to spite you.

hey now, why is this getting all personal haha :p: you asked what albums everyone seems to love but you just don't 'get'.

any music site i've ever been on has praised The Smiths to no end, with the exception of a single track nothing of what i've heard by them has done anything for me. same with Bobby D and Cohen. there's just something about them the doesn't do it for me.

there's no hate or animosity, just full on meh-ness.

TheCunningStunt 02-16-2010 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duga (Post 827346)
I can see where you are coming from...but I still to this day consider Loveless to be the ultimate "I get it!!!" album. I hated it first time I heard it...I heard tiny hints of amazing melodies that I just wanted to be more clear, and nothing was ever as defined as I wanted it to be. But then I got it, I guess. I could all the sudden hear those melodies and loved that he could create them in such a mess of guitars. The music is meant to be heard as a big amorphous sound...the songs are entities within themselves.

Well, you get the idea...I doubt it will change your mind. At least you like the Smiths. You saved yourself on that one.

Haha, you may think it won't change my mind, but I continue to listen to albums, with the hope that "I get it!!!", I always believe it to be a bit ignorant to listen to an album once and then dismiss it as bad, if a piece of work has a big fan base, and people really rate it (fans and critics.) There must be something to it?

But at the moment, I don't rate it. A lot of the time, I'll say that, and then a few months later really like it. I make myself look hypocritical a lot, but there's nothing wrong with changing your mind eh.

Yay, I like redemption! ;)

TheCunningStunt 02-16-2010 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr dave (Post 827348)
hey now, why is this getting all personal haha :p: you asked what albums everyone seems to love but you just don't 'get'.

any music site i've ever been on has praised The Smiths to no end, with the exception of a single track nothing of what i've heard by them has done anything for me. same with Bobby D and Cohen. there's just something about them the doesn't do it for me.

there's no hate or animosity, just full on meh-ness.

Each to their own and what not, but I've been to the iron bridge that they sing about in one of their songs, been to Wally Range school, just to see what it was like, they became a bit of an obsession even though they were before my time.

I even remember the first time I listened to the Queen Is Dead, do you really not think that's a great album? :(

someonecompletelyrandom 02-16-2010 06:01 PM

Animal Collective - Meriweather Post Pavillion

http://cdn.pitchfork.com/images/orig...iweather_0.jpg

It's not like I didn't enjoy it a bit. But people rave about this like it was so deep into experimentation and went places that no album has gone before... which I don't really understand. It's not that brilliant. It's not even what I would define as experimental... I've heard plenty of stuff like this by now. And it's certainly insulting to say these people are avant-garde musicians.

TheCunningStunt 02-16-2010 06:05 PM

@ Conan

It has a great album cover though, you gotta give it that?

someonecompletelyrandom 02-16-2010 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt (Post 827360)
@ Conan

It has a great album cover though, you gotta give it that?

Actually it gives me quite the headache.

TheCunningStunt 02-16-2010 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Conan (Post 827363)
Actually it gives me quite the headache.

Not got much going for it then.

But in all seriousness, I've only listened to it once, and haven't listened to it again. It was alright from what I remember, never realised anyone regarded it as ground breaking or whatever? I just thought it was an average run of the mill album.

Stone Birds 02-16-2010 06:14 PM

it's magical how a jpg image moves so much

someonecompletelyrandom 02-16-2010 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt (Post 827364)
Not got much going for it then.

But in all seriousness, I've only listened to it once, and haven't listened to it again. It was alright from what I remember, never realised anyone regarded it as ground breaking or whatever? I just thought it was an average run of the mill album.

Well, maybe people don't see it as groundbreaking. It's just annoying how many new fans of "experimental" these guys have unleashed with this hipster-accessible album. It's become less of an ethic and just another stupid genre.

Rickenbacker 02-16-2010 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Conan (Post 827357)
Animal Collective - Meriweather Post Pavillion

And it's certainly insulting to say these people are avant-garde musicians.

Based on this record? Perhaps. It's an excellent pop record with more depth than most, but the Avant-Garde tag is because of records like Feels and Sung Tongs, which are much murkier and experimental, not to mention less one-dimensional.

NumberNineDream 02-16-2010 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NumberNineDream (Post 827347)
A thread like this already exists, and it has 1640 replies,

http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...-opinions.html

YES, I AM quoting myself.

someonecompletelyrandom 02-16-2010 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rickenbacker (Post 827379)
Based on this record? Perhaps. It's an excellent pop record with more depth than most, but the Avant-Garde tag is because of records like Feels and Sung Tongs, which are much murkier and experimental, not to mention less one-dimensional.

It is a fine pop album. I haven't heard any thing else by them yet.

someonecompletelyrandom 02-16-2010 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NumberNineDream (Post 827380)
YES, I AM quoting myself.

Yeah but that one aint about albums now is it? An album and an opinion (mostly the opinions are about genres or bands) are different enough to merit there own threads I'd say.

sidewinder 02-16-2010 06:45 PM

I feel the same way about My Bloody Valentine. I've never actually made it through the entire album, it just sounds wrong to me. I heard a song on the radio once that had a nice melody so I thought I'd give it a shot, but the rest was just hurting my ears. I may try again one day but why listen to music I don't enjoy? I believe in giving albums multiple tries before passing judgment but sometimes if it's painful it's not worth it. :p:

TheCunningStunt 02-16-2010 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sidewinder (Post 827407)
I feel the same way about My Bloody Valentine. I've never actually made it through the entire album, it just sounds wrong to me. I heard a song on the radio once that had a nice melody so I thought I'd give it a shot, but the rest was just hurting my ears. I may try again one day but why listen to music I don't enjoy? I believe in giving albums multiple tries before passing judgment but sometimes if it's painful it's not worth it. :p:

:beer:

NumberNineDream 02-16-2010 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Conan (Post 827384)
Yeah but that one aint about albums now is it? An album and an opinion (mostly the opinions are about genres or bands) are different enough to merit there own threads I'd say.

Both threads are still equally ugly. I'll just wait for this one to die, like the "ugliest Beatles tune" did.
I thought that threads that are filled with:

A: I hate that album/band
B: Oh really?! You're wrong!
A: No I'm not!
B: Well you're a towel!!
A: NO! You're a towel!!


quality discussions, must be minimized at any cost.

sidewinder 02-16-2010 06:59 PM

There's a positive to these threads...someone could talk you out of hate and into giving something another try. :p:

Plus as long as everyone remains civil and accepts other people's opinions, it's just discussion which is what we're here for, right?

TheCunningStunt 02-16-2010 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NumberNineDream (Post 827415)
Both threads are still equally ugly. I'll just wait for this one to die, like the "ugliest Beatles tune" did.
I thought that threads that are filled with:

A: I hate that album/band
B: Oh really?! You're wrong!
A: No I'm not!
B: Well you're a towel!!
A: NO! You're a towel!!


quality discussions, must be minimized at any cost.

Or it's a thread where 2 people, one who dislikes an album, the other who likes it. The one who dislikes it says why they dislike it and the other says what they like about it. Maybe giving an insight into what the albums about? Making sure they get it.

You towel.

duga 02-16-2010 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NumberNineDream (Post 827415)
Both threads are still equally ugly. I'll just wait for this one to die, like the "ugliest Beatles tune" did.
I thought that threads that are filled with:

A: I hate that album/band
B: Oh really?! You're wrong!
A: No I'm not!
B: Well you're a towel!!
A: NO! You're a towel!!


quality discussions, must be minimized at any cost.

Has it really gotten that bad yet? The Loveless discussion was pretty civil and discussion-esque....

TheCunningStunt 02-16-2010 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sidewinder (Post 827418)
There's a positive to these threads...someone could talk you out of hate and into giving something another try. :p:

Plus as long as everyone remains civil and accepts other people's opinions, it's just discussion which is what we're here for, right?

:) This.

I'm going to give Loveless another try because someone said what they really liked about it.

mr dave 02-16-2010 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sidewinder (Post 827407)
I feel the same way about My Bloody Valentine. I've never actually made it through the entire album, it just sounds wrong to me. I heard a song on the radio once that had a nice melody so I thought I'd give it a shot, but the rest was just hurting my ears. I may try again one day but why listen to music I don't enjoy? I believe in giving albums multiple tries before passing judgment but sometimes if it's painful it's not worth it. :p:

but the last track on the album 'Soon' is by far the best thing on the album. hehehe

TheCunningStunt 02-16-2010 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr dave (Post 827424)
but the last track on the album 'Soon' is by far the best thing on the album.

Can the last track really save an album that made him want to turn it off?

Rickenbacker 02-16-2010 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr dave (Post 827424)
but the last track on the album 'Soon' is by far the best thing on the album. hehehe

I feel the same way. I quite like Loveless and I know I haven't given it enough listens to fully appreciate it. However, that track has always stood out. Love the drums.

NumberNineDream 02-16-2010 07:09 PM

Let's see that discussion ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by duga (Post 827336)
Ok you are not starting a thread like this and your first post for it is Loveless????

Now, I know to each his own...but damn, man.


And I know I am now proving your point. But, for shame...

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt (Post 827339)
:( This makes me sad.



I just don't like it, distorted guitar riffs, where you can't hear the singer or the lyrics. No drums either. It's more a matter of not getting it than hate..

What's the big deal with it? Mediocre at best for me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr dave (Post 827340)
but i love Loveless so we're even hahaha

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt (Post 827343)
That's just ONE album. You hate 3 brilliant Smiths albums!

3-1, I will find 2 other albums you love, and hate on them. Just to spite you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by duga (Post 827346)
I can see where you are coming from...but I still to this day consider Loveless to be the ultimate "I get it!!!" album. I hated it first time I heard it...I heard tiny hints of amazing melodies that I just wanted to be more clear, and nothing was ever as defined as I wanted it to be. But then I got it, I guess. I could all the sudden hear those melodies and loved that he could create them in such a mess of guitars. The music is meant to be heard as a big amorphous sound...the songs are entities within themselves.

Well, you get the idea...I doubt it will change your mind. At least you like the Smiths. You saved yourself on that one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt (Post 827350)
Haha, you may think it won't change my mind, but I continue to listen to albums, with the hope that "I get it!!!", I always believe it to be a bit ignorant to listen to an album once and then dismiss it as bad, if a piece of work has a big fan base, and people really rate it (fans and critics.) There must be something to it?

But at the moment, I don't rate it. A lot of the time, I'll say that, and then a few months later really like it. I make myself look hypocritical a lot, but there's nothing wrong with changing your mind eh.

Yay, I like redemption! ;)

Summarised:
So some albums/bands, are liked, and others aren't, but "to each their own, you know". However, people should keep listening to the album they hated, cause they might just "get it".

I guess that's what happened so far, and will continue to happen...

someonecompletelyrandom 02-16-2010 07:11 PM

Debby Downer.


Had to say it.

duga 02-16-2010 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NumberNineDream (Post 827427)

I guess that's what happened so far, and will continue to happen...

Notice there are large chunks of text around the bolded statements that may - to some - constitute what could be considered a discussion.

Just because it can be summarized in one or two lines doesn't mean it isn't one.

In fact, I just read someone is willing to give Loveless another try. Mission accomplished.

TheCunningStunt 02-16-2010 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NumberNineDream (Post 827427)
Let's see that discussion ...













Summarised:
So some albums/bands, are liked, and others aren't, but "to each their own, you know". However, people should keep listening to the album they hated, cause they might just "get it".

I guess that's what happened so far, and will continue to happen...

Even though you're wrong and you should sit there in your wrongness, I really do admire the commitment of going through the conversation, quoting it and then bolding the bits you wanted.

NumberNineDream 02-16-2010 07:15 PM

^I already went through it many times, and felt there are no evolution... Though these discussions would've been much greater in the designated artist's thread.

You're all describing your experience with the album, then telling the other person that "I know that it's a matter of taste blah blah" ... It's like you aren't even discussing, for fear of an argument.

NSW 02-16-2010 07:17 PM

How about we discuss more albums, instead of discussing HOW to Discuss them. :D

Please continue...


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