I'm with you on this one. I don't see how people consider this a classic or even find them meaningful to music history. Saw them live last year and it was just horrible. Rotten is nothing but a clown who's not even remotely funny (clowns are scary anyway).

eh, with the Sex Pistols, it was less about the music and more about the image of the band as punks, which honestly had an effect on the youth of that day and even youth of today.


so yeah, the cd is REALLY overhyped, but it's not that a bad album. honestly, it's got some good stuff there if you ask me.

my album RinRock... (yet to be released)
because there are four songs on it atm... and they are four differnt genras! xD

I know what you're saying. Music wise I think there are other (punk) bands who had a larger impact in that time like The Clash and The Ramones. Malcolm McLaren thought out The Sex Pistols like a 90s boy band. They did have a huge big impact image wise.

Do you have any sentences that haven't been repeated a billion times before?

yeah the way i see it

The Sex Pistols = the image
The Ramones = that "punk" sound
The Clash = the message in the music

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I love the production work on the album, the variety of effects, techniques and instruments used. Its an awesome album with a 1 or 2 dodgey but fun tracks :)

Those are all attributes that were important for the Sex Pistols of you ask me. The image is obvious, while the Pistols were the first abrasive punk band to still be accessible and widely accepted so i'd argue they had the 'punk' sound down more than the Ramones did. As for a message, what better than 'fuck that, listen to this'. Some of it was obviously tongue in cheek but songs like Bodies showed they were more than just the manufactured band that they get ridiculed for being.

i agree that their music wasn't bad. it just wasn't as good as everyone seems to make it out to be.

well even if you look at it that way it was all part of the appeal of their music.

they weren't that good, and they still managed to galvanize a generation of punk rockers into folding the music industry upon itself. it was about being loud, raw and ugly, not good, and by that measure the Sex Pistols certainly excelled.

and then afterward John Lydon was involved in one of the most colossally influential groups of all time. certainly not a bad legacy by any means.

Yeah, it's no secret that The Sex Pistols were about the image.

But image has always been a part of rock n roll. So it's a bit of a silly thing to discredit a band for.

I'd rather knock Sex Pistols for being awful musicians who get all this undeserved praise for apparently killing my favorite genre of music.

yeah, i see those bands has having many of those attributes too, but i think each one had a strength in one of those

Yeah, The Ramones were basically the Bay City Rollers with a faster tempo and distorted guitars.

And without the charming good looks. :laughing:

Oh please.

I'm not saying it's important on a musical level.

You should know me better than that, I rant a lot about critics and hipsters putting greater emphasis on image than the actual music.

That being said, image has been a very important part of music marketing since the days of Mozart. And that will never change.

We would be without a lot of great and important artists if they didn't have the right, fashionable image to get people to take notice. You think The Rolling Stones would have been as popular if they looked like this?

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Personally I think most punk that followed later on actually sounds closer to The Damned than any of those 3 bands.

yeah but you're not going to hear too many people crediting the Damned for influencing them. more artists linger on influences like Joe Strummer, Richard Hell, John Lydon, and Colin Newman than anyone else.

i'm getting to the point where i think the extent of first-wave punk music started and stopped with the Stooges. everyone else sounds so lame by comparison.

Eh. The Clash >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Stooges.

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*wait's for long lines of "wtf is wrong with you"/"zero musical taste"*

so yeah, should i hate it then or what?

if its not for you then its not for you.

Honestly, I've never even heard of it. What kind of music is it?

what i'm really trying to do is comprehend why so many people here like it so much. i understand not all music can be taken at face value or instantly liked, so i want to see what is really the charm of this, so even if i don't enjoy it, at least understand it. it's in the title you know :p:


tbh, i don't entirely know :-S

Part The Second's charm comes from the depth of the sound. The guitar is somehow brutal yet beautiful. The songs are so busy and full, and the production manages to find a way to emphasize every detail in a way that everything sounds dissonent yet together. Truly an intelligently crafted albuum and an audiophile's wet dream. What isn't to love?

ok i understand , but when i first listened to it, it seemed to slow moving and a bit boring. just saying.

but maybe it's cause i didn't listen to it with headphones on, there's some records i heard lately that i should've done that in the first place, hehe.

but yeah i'll give it another spin

Blur - Parklife

I think I've listened to it twice and bother occasions I just found it annoying and unmemorable but I see it regarded as some of their best work.

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I don't understand how such an amazing track like The Lotus Eater, can be on album that's so boring.

i've tried this one a handful of times and never made it through.

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Heh, my favorite Davis album. I don't know how you could not like it, it's so accessible for a jazz album.

I mean Bitches Brew, now there's a challenging listen.

The truth about this album is that (close your ears people) it's really only the second half that's that good; starting with Blue in Green and ending with Flamenco Sketches. So What and Freddie Freeloader are decent songs, but the last three songs, especially Blue in Green, make the album. I may be burned at the stake for heresy, but Kind of Blue just may be the most overrated album of all time.

it may be the more challenging one, but it's really worth it, seeing as it helped shaped jazz music afterwards with some of the things they did on there. it may sound weird, but with Bitches Brew, once you get it, you really get it


i'm listening to Kind of Blue right now, Blue in Green atm, and i'm starting to agree with Satch on this one. as a regular jazz album it's pretty solid, but as one of the greatest? eh, maybe.

Damn yeah, I love the Kind Of Blue album. Obviously, it aint his best but its a good album. Overrated?, yes but still a damn good album. As for Bitches Brew, Ive had it for ages and havent really gotten into yet. You should listen to On The Corner.

Kind of Blue > A Love Supreme.

Yeah, I totally went there.

Meh, I think both albums are about on par with each other. A Love Supreme was Coltrane's Magnum Opus, while Kinda' Blue, according to Miles and the musicians involved was just another recording session. It was never thought that it was gonna' be a huge record. In all honesty I believe, and I'm not the first person to put this out there, that Kind of Blue is really a Bill Evans record with Miles' name and face on the cover. It's Evans that really holds down the fort for the whole album and it his signature ethereal playing style which gives the album it's magic. IMO There are definitely better Miles Davis albums.

I'm not taking away the credit from Evans, I have a live album by the Bill Evans Trio and it's fantastic. And you're right it's probably his presence that makes it a favorite for Davis fans, but Davis still deserves credit too.

Bitches Brew, Miles Ahead, Sketches of Spain and On The Corner are other greats. But Kind of Blue probably best defines his cool/modal jazz period, which is my favorite era of his I guess.

I admit to only having heard a small portion of his gigantic discography however.

I don't understand how someone can find Watershed boring.

However, if you liked that song, listen to Ghost Reveries if you haven't already. You might have more luck with that album.

Davis' playing is very subdued on Kind of Blue, which isn't abnormal. Davis was always one to give more of a spotlight to his accompanying musicians than to himself. Even Coltrane himself has a greater presence on the record than Miles' does.
Miles Ahead is definitely an album that I would assert is a better album than Kinda' Blue, which is a shame , because its definitely his most underrated album and does not get nearly the credit it deserves. Birth of Cool and Round Midnight, as well are also,i think, more representative of Miles' greatness as a trumpet player and not just as a bandleader/arranger.
I don't argue the greatness of Kind of Blue. It's an amazing album. It has just gotten to the point where it's almost obligatory for a jazz head to avow that Kind of Blue is the greatest jazz album of all time, and I just don't see it.

As far as ac/dc and the ramones go, they each have one trick but they're awesome tricks.

AC/DC make music about their ****s but they don't have any pretensions about being anything more. It's very good music about sex. **** rock that's played with passion is 10 times better than bland cerebral music anyday.

I think the Ramones have really clever lyrics that come across as dumb. I like how all their songs run together and are really short. They did so much with so little.

I still think the pistols rock pretty hard.

rumours and anthem are decent but cheesy.

I think it's one of Opeth's better albums. The prog rock and metal shines through a little more. Sure, they've lessened the aggression, but it is still there. Heir Apparent is the most aggressive song they've written, there's the aforementioned Lotus Eater, hell, when it comes on Hessian Peel it hits like a hammer. The only song that I found dull on the entire album was Hex Omega

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I think I may have asked this before but I don't feel like digging through the thread and if I recall I didn't even get a real answer, just something to the extent of "If you don't get it you don't get it."