The Explain Why You Like This Album ('cause i don't understand) Thread (albums, pink floyd)

[ImmortalDiotima]

Originally Posted by Engine

Ha - that's funny. Or like ironic at least. How do you figure that Araya is "pretending" any more than Varg (doesn't that mean 'wolf' in some language? What a fake)?
I wager that Araya has a deeper understanding of his own background and religion than wolfman does. Exploration of darkness is the essence of Catholicism - especially for American Hispanic Catholics. Perhaps Varg needs to experience life outside of the liberal 80s Scandinavian politics that spawned the region's fairly ridiculous 90s black metal scene and a posh jail cell before he can ponder what the meaning of 'extreme' is, eh?

If you're just asking why Slayer is a good metal band then here is my response:
Araya screamed with more hardcore punk finesse than any of the other 'big ones', Lombardo played better drums than pretty much everybody since the Jazz greats, and King played ingeniously unintuitive, nonsensical guitar solos that stir the soul more than any xenophobic Norwegian asshole ever has. If you like Wolfie but hate Araya, and this bias reflects in your metal taste, then I doubt you're much of a music fan.

I have never experienced "logic" such as yours before...
First of all, nicknames are pervasive through the musical world and I'd argue that merely giving yourself a nickname (especially one that is in line with the lifestyle and ancestral religion of the people of the country in which you were raised) is not faking as much as telling millions of people in your songs that Satan is your master when you are Catholic.
Second, before you criticize Varg Vikernes based on the Norwegian penal system (it's not HIS fault the jails there are more lenient and, conveniently, more EFFECTIVE than our "brand them and throw them in the trash to rot" system) perhaps you should consider how he got there in the first place. I'd say that BURNING DOWN CHURCHES and STABBING YOUR FRIEND IN THE FOREHEAD WITH A KNIFE are levels of "extreme" that would make a god-fearing Catholic such as Araya piss in his pants just to watch.

I am no longer asking why Slayer is a good metal band. If you had taken the time to read the conversation you would have noticed that I agree that Slayer is an incredible instrumental metal band and that I simply do not like Tom Araya's vocal style (and that I'm perturbed by the subject matter, considering)

[Engine]

Originally Posted by ImmortalDiotima

I have never experienced "logic" such as yours before...
First of all, nicknames are pervasive through the musical world and I'd argue that merely giving yourself a nickname (especially one that is in line with the lifestyle and ancestral religion of the people of the country in which you were raised) is not faking as much as telling millions of people in your songs that Satan is your master when you are Catholic.

Hm..I don't think Araya tells anybody anything about himself in his songs. Are you under the impression that singers always sing lyrics that are specifically about themselves? That's odd. Anyway, even if Araya does sing about himself, what precludes a Catholic from being Satan's minion?
Welcome to my logic

Second, before you criticize Varg Vikernes based on the Norwegian penal system (it's not HIS fault the jails there are more lenient and, conveniently, more EFFECTIVE than our "brand them and throw them in the trash to rot" system) perhaps you should consider how he got there in the first place. I'd say that BURNING DOWN CHURCHES and STABBING YOUR FRIEND IN THE FOREHEAD WITH A KNIFE are levels of "extreme" that would make a god-fearing Catholic such as Araya piss in his pants just to watch.

Maybe Araya would be scared to do those things because he knows he would get in real trouble and have to do hard prison time. Or maybe he's just not a murderous attention whoring dickhead. Who knows

I am no longer asking why Slayer is a good metal band. If you had taken the time to read the conversation you would have noticed that I agree that Slayer is an incredible instrumental metal band and that I simply do not like Tom Araya's vocal style (and that I'm perturbed by the subject matter, considering)

That's why I used an "if/then" statement in my post (logic, you see). Because no I didn't take the time to read the whole conversation, just responded to the post that I quoted. I was trying to explain to you why I like his vocals since you don't understand that (it's the concept behind the thread title).

[ImmortalDiotima]

Originally Posted by Engine

Hm..I don't think Araya tells anybody anything about himself in his songs. Are you under the impression that singers always sing lyrics that are specifically about themselves? That's odd. Anyway, even if Araya does sing about himself, what precludes a Catholic from being Satan's minion?
Welcome to my logic



Maybe Araya would be scared to do those things because he knows he would get in real trouble and have to do hard prison time. Or maybe he's just not a murderous attention whoring dickhead. Who knows



That's why I used an "if/then" statement in my post (logic, you see). Because no I didn't take the time to read the whole conversation, just responded to the post that I quoted. I was trying to explain to you why I like his vocals since you don't understand that (it's the concept behind the thread title).

Your first paragraph reflects the fact that you haven't read the conversation. I have spent quite a while explaining the difference between singers who sing about things that aren't necessarily true about themselves and Tom Araya.

Someone honestly tell me that Slayer didn't want to at least seem like they were for real. They weren't open about their religion at the beginning. I think it's because they thought it would lessen their image and they didn't want that. Therefore: pretenders.

Thanks for introducing me to your logic. Would you mind using it to explain how one can be both a catholic and a satanist?

Are you suggesting that Tom Araya would burn churches and stab people in the forehead if he wasn't afraid of going to American prison? Call me crazy but... i highly doubt that. And you're right, he's not a murderous attention whore, he's just an attention whore.

Also, I don't appreciate your comment that I must not be a music lover or fan or something just because of my particular opinion. I happen to be a music major. I think I must have a certain amount of love for it. Just because my opinion differs from yours doesn't mean it is incorrect.

[Engine]

My logic is telling me not to bother responding to you.
Oops - here I go being illogical again. Don't worry, I've learned my lesson now.