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Old 09-14-2010, 01:44 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Um... I'd say that since you offered more than three examples of metal genres where you can't usually hear the lyrics and only one genre and two singers where you can... that perhaps the first example IS the majority. I think it is.

Also, please don't presume to know what I listen to. I happen to listen to power metal.
Didn`t see this little snippet till after posting.

I think we both know what I`m speaking about here. The reference to power metal was just one example from a majority of metal genres, as opposed to the minority where vocals aren`t really understood at all, so lets not split hairs.
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Old 09-14-2010, 02:12 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Nearly all the ENTIRE subject matter of this forum revolves around music. Most of the posters on here aren`t musicians, yet they discuss music on here. Does this make them fake, given the fact that they aren`t musicians?



I think you`re an apologist for Varg Vikernes.



Not when that person goes round and round in circles.
Music is not only something you play, but something you listen to. This forum is for music. Not musicians only. Music listeners, I'm sure, have something to say about music.
Also, if a band is singing about what fun it is to perform abortions but they have never performed abortions, that is one thing. If the members of said band happen to be life-long dedicated members of a an anti-abortion activist group... i would be perturbed. Why are you singing about how fun it is to perform abortions when you have a deeply held belief that abortion is the ultimate evil?
That, to me, is the difference between singing about something you do not practice, and promoting something with your music that is the exact opposite of your most deeply held ideals.

I'm not really sure where you are getting my apologist standpoint from. i was merely responding to the statement you made that Varg knows nothing about extreme (suggesting that Tom Araya does?) by mentioning that if you were to compare the two, Varg is most definitely the more extreme. I had previously stated that I don't necessarily agree with Varg's ideals or actions.

And, no, attacking someone in a rude way is not effective, even if you think they are going around in circles.

You, however, are going around in circles because you have attempted to deter me from MY OWN OPINION with the same tactics (offering up faulty analogies) over and over again.

Why exactly is it that you are so determined to deter me from my opinion? The point of this thread is to offer reasons why you like a band/album that others don't like. Not to attack people based on their reasons for disliking them.

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Didn`t see this little snippet till after posting.

I think we both know what I`m speaking about here. The reference to power metal was just one example from a majority of metal genres, as opposed to the minority where vocals aren`t really understood at all, so lets not split hairs.
To be honest... I'm not splitting hairs. I'm merely suggesting that I think the amount of metal bands with indiscernible lyrics has the majority over the amount of metal bands with lyrics you can understand.

For instance, the only genres (that I can think of) in which you can usually hear the lyrics are classic metal and power metal. Classic metal is a dead genre. There are no new classic metal bands and there are very few modern bands who imitate classic bands such as iron maiden or black sabbath. That leaves one genre... power metal... which is not (in my experience) the largest of the metal genres. You could even include thrash as having usually clear and i would still say that:

Death and black metal (I think) are the largest genres (and include many sub-genres) and usually you cannot hear the lyrics. Therefore... I do not consider it to be splitting hairs to suggest that the majority of metal bands that exist or have existed have vocals with indiscernible lyrics.
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Old 09-14-2010, 02:49 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Also, if a band is singing about what fun it is to perform abortions but they have never performed abortions, that is one thing. If the members of said band happen to be life-long dedicated members of a an anti-abortion activist group... i would be perturbed. Why are you singing about how fun it is to perform abortions when you have a deeply held belief that abortion is the ultimate evil?

I'm not really sure where you are getting my apologist standpoint from. i was merely responding to the statement you made that Varg knows nothing about extreme (suggesting that Tom Araya does?) by mentioning that if you were to compare the two, Varg is most definitely the more extreme. I had previously stated that I don't necessarily agree with Varg's ideals or actions.

You, however, are going around in circles because you have attempted to deter me from MY OWN OPINION with the same tactics (offering up faulty analogies) over and over again.

Why exactly is it that you are so determined to deter me from my opinion? The point of this thread is to offer reasons why you like a band/album that others don't like. Not to attack people based on their reasons for disliking them.
I was listening to Blind Guardian earlier and as usual they were singing about Middle Earth, swords and scorcery, wizards and dragons etc. I doubt they participate in quests against the dark lord of Mordor etc............sounds like another bunch of metal fakes to me, but it certainly beats singing about abortions though

Given that you constantly prattle on, about how Varg Vikernes follows his ideals (Then you constantly say you don`t condone his actions) and its not his fault that he`s treated leniantly in prison (Yet you approve of the leniancy of these prisons) About how he`d have Tom Araya pissing in his pants (Because Varg actually does the stuff that Tom wouldn`t) Certainly leads the reader to conclude that you have a certain amount of admiration for the man.

I don`t think anybody is going to deter your opinion, as you`re too far gone just to appreciate the simple things in life, like good metal music, instead of analyzing whether the group concerned, practices what it preaches or not.
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I was listening to Blind Guardian earlier and as usual they were singing about Middle Earth, swords and scorcery, wizards and dragons etc. I doubt they participate in quests against the dark lord of Mordor etc............sounds like another bunch of metal fakes to me, but it certainly beats singing about abortions though

Given that you constantly prattle on, about how Varg Vikernes follows his ideals (Then you constantly say you don`t condone his actions) and its not his fault that he`s treated leniantly in prison (Yet you approve of the leniancy of these prisons) About how he`d have Tom Araya pissing in his pants (Because Varg actually does the stuff that Tom wouldn`t) Certainly leads the reader to conclude that you have a certain amount of admiration for the man.

I don`t think anybody is going to deter your opinion, as you`re too far gone just to appreciate the simple things in life, like good metal music, instead of analyzing whether the group concerned, practices what it preaches or not.
I cease to recognize the point of anything you say. As you constantly refuse to actually read and digest anything I have said, twisting it, instead, into some misinterpreted glob of whatever you feel like arguing against without actually referring to a single point that I have made... be sure that the last person who could deter my opinion would be you and your way of arguing.

I shall from this point forward ignore your remarks unless, by some miracle, you manage to say something which requires an actual thought process and not just a rude attitude.

(Oh and if we'd like to talk about prattling on... your comment about Blind Guardian completely ignores the distinction I made and is, in fact, identical to the same comment you have repeatedly made and to which I have offered a multi-faceted and diverse argument, which you continue to ignore)

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I don't like SCREAMYGROWLY vocals. Knowing what's being sung is a plus but I just don't like it when some a‎sshole gets up and does a bunch of that kind of thing.

Vocals are also just a part of my general disgust towards much metal that I've listened to.



You could just open the quotes in different tabs and copy+paste them into the same thing but whatever bro
Ok well then I would suggest power metal or classic metal since most of the vocals are clean. But if you don't like metal you don't like metal.

Um, I've since been shown how to use the multi-quote function. I'm not sure why you feel the need to take an attitude with me here... but by the way... I'm not a bro. I'm a woman.

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We could sit here and go through about the 20-30 metal genres and I`m certain the majority without any doubt has discernible lyrics, when I say discernible I`m talking the majority of their material is receptive to the ear and doesn`t involve growls, snarls, screams and shrieking to the excess of the example I gave on a previous thread here.
I simply disagree.
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I cease to recognize the point of anything you say. As you constantly refuse to actually read and digest anything I have said, twisting it, instead, into some misinterpreted glob of whatever you feel like arguing against without actually referring to a single point that I have made... be sure that the last person who could deter my opinion would be you and your way of arguing.

I shall from this point forward ignore your remarks unless, by some miracle, you manage to say something which requires an actual thought process and not just a rude attitude.

(Oh and if we'd like to talk about prattling on... your comment about Blind Guardian completely ignores the distinction I made and is, in fact, identical to the same comment you have repeatedly made and to which I have offered a multi-faceted and diverse argument, which you continue to ignore)
Loosen up you`re taking this all too seriously, and by the way you`ve also evaded direct reponses to questions as well, instead preferring to to analyze things way beyond reasonable levels.

You`ve mentioned that you`re a singer, what type of stuff do you sing about?
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Loosen up you`re taking this all too seriously, and by the way you`ve also evaded direct reponses to questions as well, instead preferring to to analyze things way beyond reasonable levels.

You`ve mentioned that you`re a singer, what type of stuff do you sing about?
I take it seriously when I feel like I'm being attacked, which is how I feel when people speak to me with the attitude with which you've been addressing me. Granted, this is an internet forum so I take responsibility for possibly misinterpreting your tone.
If I have analyzed beyond reason it was only in an attempt to directly answer the questions that were posed to me. I didn't intentionally evade anything and if there is still a lingering question you'd like me to answer, shoot. If it's the same question you've asked me three times (whether I should dislike everyone who sings about doing something they don't do) I think I've answered that question thoroughly (a few times over).

Also, you claim that I can't look past things and simply enjoy the music. This is yet another example of your completely ignoring things that I have said... such as that the reason I don't like listening to slayer is that I don't like the sound of Tom Araya's vocals (nothing to do with their subject matter). I just don't enjoy them.

I sing mostly classical music, none of which I write. the subject matter varies.

To be honest... I don't think I am over-analyzing. You have tried to present me with examples that are supposed to confound me and prove that I am contradicting myself when, in fact, the examples you present are very different from the one that I am talking about and offer no contradiction. When I point this out to you... you ignore it and continue making the same impotent argument against what I have said.
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I take it seriously when I feel like I'm being attacked, which is how I feel when people speak to me with the attitude with which you've been addressing me. Granted, this is an internet forum so I take responsibility for possibly misinterpreting your tone.
The above I would say was a cultural difference. Being a Brit we can be overly direct with opinions, a fellow Brit might not take offence because he/she would be used to the tone, whereas somebody from elsewhere may take offence to certain words or phrases.

Even though I don`t agree with a lot of what you say, you`ve still expressed your opinion in a constructive way (albeit around the mulberry bush type way) but thats what forums are largely for anyway.
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Um, I've since been shown how to use the multi-quote function. I'm not sure why you feel the need to take an attitude with me here... but by the way... I'm not a bro. I'm a woman.
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To be honest... I'm not splitting hairs. I'm merely suggesting that I think the amount of metal bands with indiscernible lyrics has the majority over the amount of metal bands with lyrics you can understand.

For instance, the only genres (that I can think of) in which you can usually hear the lyrics are classic metal and power metal. Classic metal is a dead genre. There are no new classic metal bands and there are very few modern bands who imitate classic bands such as iron maiden or black sabbath. That leaves one genre... power metal... which is not (in my experience) the largest of the metal genres. You could even include thrash as having usually clear and i would still say that:

Death and black metal (I think) are the largest genres (and include many sub-genres) and usually you cannot hear the lyrics. Therefore... I do not consider it to be splitting hairs to suggest that the majority of metal bands that exist or have existed have vocals with indiscernible lyrics.
We could sit here and go through about the 20-30 metal genres and I`m certain the majority without any doubt has discernible lyrics, when I say discernible I`m talking the majority of their material is receptive to the ear and doesn`t involve growls, snarls, screams and shrieking to the excess of the example I gave on a previous thread here.

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