i mostly agree, but the moog has been around since the 60s. while you could get full on moog albums it was much more of a novelty than a start of a new synth based style (i have the moog christmas record hehe). and prior to that you had the dada-ist toying with the idea of anti-art in the 20s (basically a REALLY old school precursor to modern ambient electronic and free jazz when it came to their musical offerings). it really wasn't until the 80s that full on electronic bands really started taking off (as in bands that had 0 traditional rock instruments).

technology will play a factor but it will ALWAYS be about how the musician chooses to use the technology. i remember an interview with martin gore from depeche mode where he made the very valid comment that a lot of people never bothered tweaking the factory presets on their synths. they would simply use what they had as they figured it was supposed to be used, and then wondered why they sounded like plastic. it's the same thing happening to a LOT of rock bands, regardless of their level of success. the prevalent attitude is, i play guitar, drums or bass - they're supposed to be played like a guitar, drum, or bass. so how is that going to sound fresh?

i really think the biggest factor technology has on music right now is that anyone can record and release something to the world now. it's got nothing to do with new gear or instruments and everything to do with how creative an individual truly is.

the only people who think music is dead are the ones who worship celebrity.

Agree with you 100%

while i'm flattered if this continues this forum will get really boring really quick hehehe :p:

oh yeah - frusciante = effing awesome.

Haha yes, sorry o agree with you wholeheartedly again.

I finally got Slane and hyde park on CD's. The solo's during those two shows blow me away. He has changed so much from his ealier works.

hehehe haven't actually paid much attention to the peppers in a long time. i just can't get into their stuff as much as i used to. his first solo disc still blows me away almost 15 years later.

i'm just waiting for flea to finally get off his butt and whip out that guest filled solo disc he's been mulling over for a while now where he only plans to play trumpet.

if music is communication (as many here and other places argue), hip-hop is quite possibly the best form of music


everyone here has such predictable and pigeonholed opinions of music.

And what makes you stand out oh wise one?

Nice to know you feel that way...How does Hip Hop communicate more effectively than any other genre?

i can dig that. hip hop at it's best is documentary, alot of waste gangsta rap probably took some artistic licence or whatever though. It's just words over beats, you can't get any more direct than that if you're trying to communicate a point. It's not restricted to realism though, extended metaphors, surrealism, it's all good...

Wow, I thought I was the only one who noticed that. Old Flaming Lips is good, but their new stuff just blows everything out of the water. And no, as with many Indie bands, I haven't bought into this Animal Collective hype.

Many of todays hot Indie bands are merely copying older bands, but they imitate them so poorly that people consider them to be innovative. Modest Mouse for example were just trying to copy other Indie bands like Pixies and Built to Spill, but they sucked at it so much that they somehow managed to sound original.

If theres one modern Indie band I give two shits about, it would be My Morning Jacket. Even with the obvious classic rock influences they manage to sound very original and different. Add to that they can actually play their instruments and their albums don't sound like they were pieced together in 5 minutes by a deaf person, for an Indie band thats a breath of fresh air as far as I'm concerned.