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Old 05-11-2008, 12:54 AM   #51 (permalink)
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I hate the people that basically only listen to bands that no one has ever heard of and that dislike any band just because they are semi mainstream. Its like if you arent listening to the most obscure band out there then you arent listening to anything worth listening to. And people who bash music simply because it may have a pop sound or is in a certain genre that they may not like.

You have to take music for what it is. To the guy who made a comment about his friends loving All American Rejects: They are a pop punk band who may not be great innovative musicians, yet they write super catchy and poppy music. Which isnt that the point of their music? If you listen to most main stream pop music it may be terrible yet for some reason it gets caught in your head and you keep singing it over and over. So it has fulfilled its purpose.
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Old 05-11-2008, 01:13 AM   #52 (permalink)
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It’s not laughable in and of itself. It only becomes laughable once they start claiming that it’s somehow better art to something else that actually is original, but just happens not to be at all “progressive”.
I don't think you get it. Progressive rock is not just rock music that is progressive, if this was true that would make Talking Heads prog (who are not).

Progressive rock is defined by a criteria I have alrady explained, sure its a broad term, but that goes with most genres. Point is progressive and "prog" is not the same, prog is not just the general act of being progressive it actually is a genre with its own classfications. While there are many prog bands with an original sound, theres nothing that makes Flower Kings less of a prog band, less progressive sure, but they fit the criteria of a prog band and so thats what they are.

So once again the two words are not mutually exclusive.

Bjork = Progressive but not prog.
Dream Theater = Not progressive and unfortunately prog.

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It’s that, to be honest, which I find irritating: valuing all music based merely on its compositional sophistication, even if it contains no new ideas.
See this is the problem. I don't see that many prog fans being this way. I think any prog fan thats not a complete moron should know that every genre is different and isn't meant to function the same way.

I mean the only proggie here who ever acts like you described was Don, but he thinks all prog thats not prog metal (which is all he ever listens to) is crap. Sad excuse of a proggie he was. And thank god he's not around anymore.

Comus can be that way too, but I know he likes The Ramones so he can't be that closed minded.

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There’s more to art than that, and such attitudes just seem to miss the point. Those people, while they have all the right to like one type of music more than another, are totally wrong to scorn other genres, and so baselessly too.
I think you confuse originality with creativity, these terms are also not mutually exclusive. You can be un-original and still be creative.

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Well, they still took those ideas and applied their own personality to them, fashioning out of them something that was quite idiosyncratically “Nirvana”… and of course Kurt was a better melodist than all the others. But point taken, and I agree with your general gist: it’s alright to like a band for their sound, and from a personal standpoint that is ultimately all that matters, beyond a doubt. It’s when people start getting evangelical about it that the trouble starts.
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Old 05-11-2008, 01:53 AM   #53 (permalink)
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I don't think you get it. Progressive rock is not just rock music that is progressive, if this was true that would make Talking Heads prog (who are not).

Progressive rock is defined by a criteria I have alrady explained, sure its a broad term, but that goes with most genres. Point is progressive and "prog" is not the same, prog is not just the general act of being progressive it actually is a genre with its own classfications. While there are many prog bands with an original sound, theres nothing that makes Flower Kings less of a prog band, less progressive sure, but they fit the criteria of a prog band and so thats what they are.

So once again the two words are not mutually exclusive.

Bjork = Progressive but not prog.
Dream Theater = Not progressive and unfortunately prog.
I meant it in the sense of "prog" and the "criteria of a prog band". Plus, I was only trying to capture the types of sentences you find evangelical proggies using: "Band X, load of piffle. Not progressive at all."

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See this is the problem. I don't see that many prog fans being this way. I think any prog fan thats not a complete moron should know that every genre is different and isn't meant to function the same way.
Well I'm just referring to the types who do. Of course not all are like that, just like not all indie fans are Pitchfork twonks.

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I think you confuse originality with creativity, these terms are also not mutually exclusive. You can be un-original and still be creative.
If you wanna take "creative" in its literal sense then yeah, fine, but to me that's just special pleading. Creative, in an artistic context, is conventionally interpreted as innovation and originality.
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In terms of creativity one should also take into account composition, structure and melody.
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In terms of creativity one should also take into account composition, structure and melody.
Melody, for sure; composition and structure I'd collapse (with other things) into "arrangements".
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It’s not laughable in and of itself. It only becomes laughable once they start claiming that it’s somehow better art to something else that actually is original, but just happens not to be at all “progressive”. It’s that, to be honest, which I find irritating: valuing all music based merely on its compositional sophistication, even if it contains no new ideas. There’s more to art than that, and such attitudes just seem to miss the point. Those people, while they have all the right to like one type of music more than another, are totally wrong to scorn other genres, and so baselessly too.


Well, they still took those ideas and applied their own personality to them, fashioning out of them something that was quite idiosyncratically “Nirvana”… and of course Kurt was a better melodist than all the others. But point taken, and I agree with your general gist: it’s alright to like a band for their sound, and from a personal standpoint that is ultimately all that matters, beyond a doubt. It’s when people start getting evangelical about it that the trouble starts.
Like boo boo said, Prog is not progressive in the sense of originality/innovation, it might have been originally, but I think that at the moment Prog means progression inside of a song itself. The majority of prog is based around some sort of progression inside of a song.
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Old 05-11-2008, 12:04 PM   #57 (permalink)
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Old 05-11-2008, 12:45 PM   #58 (permalink)
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I don't like emo kids... something about listening to depressing music and wearing tight pants dose not sound apealing to me.

I also don't like rap fans, they are just very into trying to be like the person that they are a fan of. I know this first hand because my cousin tryes to be like 2pac (and I like 2pac).

And another fan type that I cant stand, is metal and screamo fans, what the heck. I will only outline why I dont like screamo fans because there is a giant outline already here that sapports my hate for metal heads. Screamo people are, in my oppinion, just goth people who don't wear black all the time.
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Old 05-11-2008, 05:20 PM   #59 (permalink)
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I go to a lot of hardcore shows and the guys that think they're so tough...annoy me. I love hatebreed...but some of the guys at the shows are utter meatheads.
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I think hardcore metalheads are just the worst. They're just a bunch of narrow-minded idiots, i mean not every music genre besides metal is for f*gs. Even metal bands that get a taste of success are labelled 'f*gs'.

Next would be the 'indie kids' who dont know what indie music is. They listen to bands like Hard-Fi, The Killers, Arctic Monkeys, The Kooks etc who are all on major labels, therefore not indie.
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