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Old 07-06-2008, 11:12 AM   #61 (permalink)
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I am eagerly awaiting the Stripes' article. Based on the one-liner at the beginning of the thread, I feel like this is going to be a weak argument. I hope you prove me wrong.
I'm pretty sure it could be fielded by anyone who's heard a complete album. It's not just the lack of complexity or depth that gives cry to the call "overrated," but the humungous flaws in the rhythm section of their music. Don't get me wrong; Jack White is a great guitarist, a talented lyricist and an overall good songwriter. But Meg White is an embarrassment to music. She isn't simple - she's completely off-beat! She is singlehandedly the worst drummer in music, and one of the most inappropriate drummers ever. Don't believe me? Go listen to Seven Nation Army and listen to the breaks after the verse and pre-chorus. And THAT's supposed to be one of their best songs.

Raconteurs = good. The White Stripes = horribly overrated.
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Old 07-06-2008, 11:16 AM   #62 (permalink)
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As the official founder of the Meg White is Beautiful and Wonderful and the Best Drummer Ever Club, all i can say is pffft!
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Old 07-06-2008, 11:20 AM   #63 (permalink)
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As the official founder of the Meg White is Beautiful and Wonderful and the Best Drummer Ever Club, all i can say is pffft!
Haha. A good friend of mine actually told me he found her attractive. I...think she looks like a badly prepared cadaver.
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Old 07-06-2008, 11:24 AM   #64 (permalink)
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I don't even know why i fancy her. There's just something about her that makes me want to take her to a bowling alley and buy her a coke (guess the Stripes reference!)
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Old 07-06-2008, 12:55 PM   #65 (permalink)
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How dare you Crowe, how dare you.

And to think I gave you props on Bi-Level; which i only kept because the bird on the cover reminded me o the bird from the Guinness beer commercial. I gave away the other four cds in the promo pack to some kids skateboarding in the parking lot outside my sons restaurant.
Haha. I am a Stripes man through and through, and I've heard it all by way of Stripes critics and haters. Although you call them overrated and didn't say you hate them, I consider it a call to arms. My duty! I am not a typical forum kiddie, though, and let our different thoughts on one artist effect our shared thoughts on another... that just seems retrogressive in terms of creating a community!
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I don't even know why i fancy her. There's just something about her that makes me want to take her to a bowling alley and buy her a coke (guess the Stripes reference!)
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I'm pretty sure it could be fielded by anyone who's heard a complete album. It's not just the lack of complexity or depth that gives cry to the call "overrated," but the humungous flaws in the rhythm section of their music. Don't get me wrong; Jack White is a great guitarist, a talented lyricist and an overall good songwriter. But Meg White is an embarrassment to music. She isn't simple - she's completely off-beat! She is singlehandedly the worst drummer in music, and one of the most inappropriate drummers ever. Don't believe me? Go listen to Seven Nation Army and listen to the breaks after the verse and pre-chorus. And THAT's supposed to be one of their best songs.

Raconteurs = good. The White Stripes = horribly overrated.
The Raconteurs are nothing more than boring retro classic rock pleasing rubbish. I gave them a chance but I became so bored I stopped bothering.

And why shouldn't Meg White play drums. Did punk rock not teach us anything? I don't want a Neal fucking Peart clone in every band. That rawness and simplicity is what makes the White Stripes work.
Maybe Mo Tucker shouldn't have bothered either.
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Old 07-06-2008, 01:26 PM   #68 (permalink)
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I'm pretty sure it could be fielded by anyone who's heard a complete album. It's not just the lack of complexity or depth that gives cry to the call "overrated," but the humungous flaws in the rhythm section of their music. Don't get me wrong; Jack White is a great guitarist, a talented lyricist and an overall good songwriter. But Meg White is an embarrassment to music. She isn't simple - she's completely off-beat! She is singlehandedly the worst drummer in music, and one of the most inappropriate drummers ever. Don't believe me? Go listen to Seven Nation Army and listen to the breaks after the verse and pre-chorus. And THAT's supposed to be one of their best songs.

Raconteurs = good. The White Stripes = horribly overrated.
Complexity and depth do not give birth to greatness, and the lack of the aforementioned qualities do not detract from the state of one's greatness.

Meg White's drumming and its effect on the rating of the stripes:

First, one 5 second section of an offbeat is not going to turn any fan 180 - since it is such a miniscular fraction of their entire discography. Second, Meg White has never, EVER been called a "great" technical drummer by anyone. What people DO say is that the way she drums fits in completely and totally with the music that the Stripes play.

That being said, your big point in this post is that the Stripes are "overrated" because Meg doesn't have the best grasp on drum technique or music theory (which noone... has ever claimed). So, how could they be overrated based on the fact that Meg is no John Bonham? Since they were never rated based on that fact to begin with. When people talk about the White Stripes, you won't hear them talk about the wondrous complexity of Meg's drumming... you hear about Jack mostly (you gave him a load of credit yourself) and how Meg does her job by keeping time with thundering drums.

Come on now...
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The Raconteurs are nothing more than boring retro classic rock pleasing rubbish. I gave them a chance but I became so bored I stopped bothering.

And why shouldn't Meg White play drums. Did punk rock not teach us anything? I don't want a Neal fucking Peart clone in every band. That rawness and simplicity is what makes the White Stripes work.
Maybe Mo Tucker shouldn't have bothered either.
Are you for cereal?

Just because the Raconteurs draw heavily from blues rock legends like Led Zeppelin doesn't make them utter trash. Anyways, it's preferable to the huge alternative rock sweep that goes across the radiowaves nowadays.

And I'm gonna repeat: it was never about the simplicity of their music that makes The White Stripes overrated. It's about the terrible rhythm section - if you wanna call it "rawness" so be it but it doesn't make Meg White any better at the drums. I'm all for keeping music simple and not overengineering the sound, but I can't tolerate listening to consistently trashy drums on EVERY SINGLE ALBUM. She sounds no better on Icky Thump than their s/t, when it was her first experience on drums.

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Complexity and depth do not give birth to greatness, and the lack of the aforementioned qualities do not detract from the state of one's greatness.

Meg White's drumming and its effect on the rating of the stripes:

First, one 5 second section of an offbeat is not going to turn any fan 180 - since it is such a miniscular fraction of their entire discography. Second, Meg White has never, EVER been called a "great" technical drummer by anyone. What people DO say is that the way she drums fits in completely and totally with the music that the Stripes play.

That being said, your big point in this post is that the Stripes are "overrated" because Meg doesn't have the best grasp on drum technique or music theory (which noone... has ever claimed). So, how could they be overrated based on the fact that Meg is no John Bonham? Since they were never rated based on that fact to begin with. When people talk about the White Stripes, you won't hear them talk about the wondrous complexity of Meg's drumming... you hear about Jack mostly (you gave him a load of credit yourself) and how Meg does her job by keeping time with thundering drums.

Come on now...
They are overrated because people confuse her poor rhythm skills for simplicity. Simplicity I can deal with. But Meg White - Meg simply sounds like a child who got hold of her mother's kitchen utensils. And no matter what, you can't deny what a burden it is to listen to someone that bad on drums for as long as The White Stripes have been popular.
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