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Old 07-05-2008, 03:37 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Reading some of the titles on the "Overrated list" I gotta say your out of your mind. Half the list were the people who changed or defined there era or genre. Im surprised you dont have Elvis on there because he sold records because of controversy.

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Radiohead
The Grateful Dead
Snoop - hes still better than todays rap btw

but dude
-Nirvana?!?! The band who defined grunge music and if Kurt Cobain was a musical genious whats wrong with you? they would of been legendary.
-The Doors, The Eagles, Kiss, and the Rolling Stones how can you be overrated if we still listen to there music today?
-Coldplay isn't overrated they just sell alot of albums, people actully love there music.
-Eminem - sparked more controversy than anyone since elvis, also a rapper who didn't appeal to what the public wanted to hear he just told his story. He was also lyrically one of the best alive.
-Tupac - you kidding? have you listened to rap today compared to Tupac? hes an all time great of his genre.
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Old 07-05-2008, 04:09 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Reading some of the titles on the "Overrated list" I gotta say your out of your mind. Half the list were the people who changed or defined there era or genre. Im surprised you dont have Elvis on there because he sold records because of controversy.

I agree with....
Radiohead
The Grateful Dead
Snoop - hes still better than todays rap btw

but dude
-Nirvana?!?! The band who defined grunge music and if Kurt Cobain was a musical genious whats wrong with you? they would of been legendary.
-The Doors, The Eagles, Kiss, and the Rolling Stones how can you be overrated if we still listen to there music today?
-Coldplay isn't overrated they just sell alot of albums, people actully love there music.
-Eminem - sparked more controversy than anyone since elvis, also a rapper who didn't appeal to what the public wanted to hear he just told his story. He was also lyrically one of the best alive.
-Tupac - you kidding? have you listened to rap today compared to Tupac? hes an all time great of his genre.

I think you'll find there are compelling counterpoints to all your contentions. Also it's been mentioned in multiple posts throughout the thread that all of the bands on the list are good if not very good. Overrated suggests nothing about the quality of a band, except relative to critical acclaim\review.

I'll get more in depth as I address each artist on the list, however to breifly touch on it since I've never seen you on here before.

Nirvana was the face of the movement to be sure, but the crux of my argument will be that it's not unfair to suggest musically there are several bands of the era that have as good or better material and a much longer discography.

The Doors, were just addressed, The Eagles are on deck (but you won't win that argument here) Kiss is sort of viewed as a novelty now-a-days and the Stones, for all their greatness have plenty to critique and frankly haven't produced an interesting song in nearly 20 years.

Eminem - I won't be able to change your mind, but in reality he has 1 good album (That i grew tired of in months) and a bunch of questionable material. His singles are corny and do not hold up over time, he lacks the discipline to put together a consistent liuve show let alone tour. Even his biggest fans could do 10 paragraphs on his shortcomings and faults if they were honest.

2-PAC - A lot like Nirvana, timing made the legacy more then the discography and while his words are pretty good and there are some interesting song concepts especially on "All eyes on me" over all it's not nearly the most impressive collection in hip-hop as it is sometimes granted.

Hope you'll follow the thread and offer your opinions especially those that differ from mine.
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Old 07-05-2008, 04:18 PM   #53 (permalink)
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16. The Doors

Most Overrated Album: Strange Days
Most Overrated song: Break on Through

So it's not like the Doors suck or anything. In fact their self-titled debut album is okay, LA Woman is a fascinating album, and there are some good singles mixed in their discography. Here's the thing. Jim Morrison was a decent lyricist and a pretty average song writer. A lot of their psychedelic and artsy stuff is just crap. "The End" is pure rubbish, Crystal ship makes me want to walk the plank, and every time I see that "American Poet" poster I just wonder what Whitman, Cummings, Thoreau and especially T.S. Elliot would think.

Here's an example of Morrison's "Poetry"

Whoa, yeah!
C'mon, yeah
Yeah, c'mon, yeah
Yeah, c'mon
Oh, yeah, ma
Yeah, I'm a back door man
I'm a back door man
The men don't know
But the little girl understand
Hey, all you people that tryin' to sleep
I'm out to make it with my midnight dream, yeah
'Cause I'm a back door man
The men don't know
But the little girls understand
All right, yeah
You men eat your dinner
Eat your pork and beans
I eat more chicken
Than any man ever seen, yeah, yeah
I'm a back door man, wha
The men don't know
But the little girls understand
Well, I'm a back door man
I'm a back door man
Whoa, baby, I'm a back door man
The men don't know
But the little girls understand


That's really my mine gripe with them, they should be remembered as one of the better popular acts of musics greatest age but not as the quintessential psychedelic rock band of the era. The fact that Morrison was often too high to perform should hinder their reputation not enhance it, but alas this is why they are the 16th most overrated band ever. This Doors fan's is the end and their is no incestuous rape in sight.
You do know that Morrison didn't write Back Door Man, right?

Anyway, I have to admit that I used to love the Doors (for about six months), but nowadays I never really feel like playing their records. I do like The End, Crystal Ship, and a few others. When The Music's Over, on the other hand, is pretty awful.
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Old 07-05-2008, 05:37 PM   #54 (permalink)
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Obviously I did not know that or I would have used another song. I looked it up it's Willie Dixon, the liner notes don't mention that however. Thanks for the correction, I'll edit the post.
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Old 07-05-2008, 05:52 PM   #55 (permalink)
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Gotta say I agree with the inclusion of John Lennon's solo stuff. And can I put in a early request for Imagine as the most over-rated song of his. I know it's his biggest hit and for that reason it's the biggest target to be touted as 'over-rated' but I've just never gotten the hype surrounding it. The amount of times that song has come out on top as the best song of all time is criminal. It's a dull monontonous song that doesn't tug on the heart strings. It just winds and meanders on. This isn't me being unappreciative of slower more reflective songs. They're my favourite type of songs. This just does nothing for me.

Anyone at all out there agree with me?!
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Old 07-05-2008, 05:54 PM   #56 (permalink)
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The thing about this list is part of what makes the artist overrated is what we think of them...
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Old 07-06-2008, 06:55 AM   #57 (permalink)
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Gotta say I agree with the inclusion of John Lennon's solo stuff. And can I put in a early request for Imagine as the most over-rated song of his. I know it's his biggest hit and for that reason it's the biggest target to be touted as 'over-rated' but I've just never gotten the hype surrounding it. The amount of times that song has come out on top as the best song of all time is criminal. It's a dull monontonous song that doesn't tug on the heart strings. It just winds and meanders on. This isn't me being unappreciative of slower more reflective songs. They're my favourite type of songs. This just does nothing for me.

Anyone at all out there agree with me?!


I do like Imagine, and Lennon's a decent writer, but he's definitely overrated. I really don't understand why people get so excited and reverent whenever his name comes up.
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Old 07-06-2008, 07:30 AM   #58 (permalink)
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For Lennon it's all in the Beatles for me. That's where the reverence lies with most people I think
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I am eagerly awaiting the Stripes' article. Based on the one-liner at the beginning of the thread, I feel like this is going to be a weak argument. I hope you prove me wrong.
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I am eagerly awaiting the Stripes' article. Based on the one-liner at the beginning of the thread, I feel like this is going to be a weak argument. I hope you prove me wrong.
How dare you Crowe, how dare you.

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