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Old 09-20-2008, 08:46 PM   #951 (permalink)
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Don't forget The Mollusk
Must...resist...sounding like a fanboy...aww f*ck it I love that album still, never boring.

As for the best 90s album, probably 'Transmissions from the Satellite Heart' by The Flaming Lips for me. The noise is too colorful and Coyne blends distorted guitars and pop melodies perfectly here. Like every song on that album (even 'Plastic Jesus).
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Old 09-20-2008, 08:52 PM   #952 (permalink)
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It is the best album by Radiohead. That cannot be argued. Nowhere has an album been at the top on so many year end lists. It continues to be ranked in the top 10 in so many all time lists. I would like to see what albums you guys think is better than this in the 90's. It should be good for a laugh.

As for 1997...exactly what is better?
F#A# Infinity = Best album of that year.
almost of the decade.
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Old 09-20-2008, 09:18 PM   #953 (permalink)
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28 : Morrissey Fanboys

No matter where I go i'm always surrounded by these fuckers.

For years I dare not listen to the Smiths for fear of turning into one of these bores. I think liking the Smiths still has a stigma attached to it even now. Whenever someone announces to me they love The Smiths my first thought is 'uhoh....Morrissey fanboy.'
Quite honestly i'm bored of having him shoved in my face and being forced to accept him as the new Oscar Wilde. These people seem to think if his royal Morrisseyness says something witty then that automatically makes it 100 time more witty than it actually is. Then there's the really annoying 'ooh cheeky......' sexual ambiguousness with seeming straight men suddenly acting more camp than a row of tents at the mere mention of his name.
This always seems to affect people between the ages of say 16 to about 22 , I've met quite a few older than that but tend to try and move on to something else , but it'll still be there lurking underneath , but mostly this phenomenon goes hand in hand with irritating students.
As for his material I can take it or leave it. I don't mind The Smiths but I think there were a lot better and interesting bands around at the time. I think a lot of credit should go to the band for still managing to appeal to me in spite of the massive number of pricks they seem to attract.
As for his solo stuff. I don't think it's anywhere near as good as the fanboys make out. I think the reason he's got so many plaudits for his recent stuff is because he's a familiar name from the past and he's actually making an effort. I think he's getting good reviews for not sucking rather than actually being good.

Aaaaaand let the deluge of abuse commence ...
He is my favorite artist, and I've been fortunate enough to meet him twice(helluva nice guy), but my "fandom" ends there. I dont give a **** if he wears Prada/gucci or anything else, I like his music. I do think he's underrated as a songwriter, and a few of his discs are very underrated as well(Bona Drag/Vauxhall and I come to mind), and I think anything past VH&I has been a sorta step down for him musically, but i still like him.

I'm completely straight, and have no desire to sleep with him, I do think he's cool, and is a very good/underrated singer.

But, I do know, and see what you mean. Some folks go a little too overboard about him, thats their gig though.


My opinion is...I feel the same way in a sense about Radiohead, Coldplay and Tool, as you do about Morrissey. I've had to sit through many nights listening to their *ahem* music, and to this day: I dont "get it". I'm sure they're fabulous musicians, and im sure they're the best band on the planet...blah blah ****ing blah, but i just dont like any of them.

As for The Smiths: very underrated band in my opinion. Best of the '80s? I wouldnt go that far(and im a huge Morrissey/Smiths fan).
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Old 09-20-2008, 11:53 PM   #954 (permalink)
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Just because critics rank it high, doesnt mean its automatically great.


And as far as better albums in the 90's? Loveless, Crooked Rain, in the aeroplane over the sea, cubist castle, theres more, I mean, OK Computer is a really good album...just very overhyped and definitely not the indisputable best of the 90's
I didn't say just critics lists. Lists by regular schmoes like you and I. You may personally like other albums better but collectively nothing else beats it.

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Evergreen and Time Out Of Mind come to mind.
Actually for argument's sake, you might want to try using albums that most of us have heard of.

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Well personally Spiritualized's Ladies & Gentlemen We Are Floating In Space and Super Furry Animals Radiator from that year got more plays on my stereo than OK Computer ever did.
Both these albums were big in the UK but hardly dented the north american market and yes I mean the indie market. I will not argue that these are really good albums because I bought both of them when they came out but one had to remember that OK Computer had an impact on the whole pop/rock community, mainsteam and indie listeners.

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Don't forget The Mollusk.
Great album. Never tire of this one. It's on my list.
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Old 09-21-2008, 01:41 AM   #955 (permalink)
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Actually for argument's sake, you might want to try using albums that most of us have heard of.
They're both by established, popular artists, like, you know, Bob Dylan.
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Both these albums were big in the UK but hardly dented the north american market and yes I mean the indie market. I will not argue that these are really good albums because I bought both of them when they came out but one had to remember that OK Computer had an impact on the whole pop/rock community, mainsteam and indie listeners.
They wern't particularly big in the UK either. I was going by quality rather than influence.
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They're both by established, popular artists, like, you know, Bob Dylan.
Popular artists but not popular albums. I just finished looking at several lists of top albums of the 90's and neither of these albums made any list. Even on Rate Your Music they couldn't crack the top 300 of 1997. Now I know people may like albums personally better than OK Computer but to say any other album was better through an objective viewpoint is wrong.
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Old 09-21-2008, 03:28 AM   #958 (permalink)
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Now I know people may like albums personally better than OK Computer but to say any other album was better through an objective viewpoint is wrong.
I don't agree with that at all.
You could argue Mogwai's Young Team had much more of an influence on the music that came after it. Have you seen the amount of post rock bands out there? Far more than the amount of Radiohead influenced bands.
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and the radiohead influenced bands are ****
not that that has anything to do with anything
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Old 09-21-2008, 03:56 AM   #960 (permalink)
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I don't agree with that at all.
You could argue Mogwai's Young Team had much more of an influence on the music that came after it. Have you seen the amount of post rock bands out there? Far more than the amount of Radiohead influenced bands.
Influence is only one set of criteria. What about creativity, originality, musicianship, songwriting, impact...etc. As for Radiohead being an influence, I've heard it many bands ranging from Sigur Ros, Travis and Muse to Kashmir and The Forgotten Army. Also the term "post rock" is so loosely applied that it has about the same effect as the term "pop". Mogwai has even rejected the label "post rock". Some would even argue that Bark Psychosis or Tortoise were the true pioneers of post rock.
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