Is it possible to objectively judge music? (rock, favorite bands, genre)

Minstrel · 09-27-2008, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad Stengel

Lets put it this way: A 13 year old girl who's favorite artist is Miley Cyrus gives you an opinion on an album you dont know if you'd like or not, versus someone in his 30's that owns thousands of albums, and has very informed opinions on music, even if he doesnt have the exact same taste as you. Whos opinion would you take more seriously

It depends on which one is closer to you in taste. If you feel that the "obvious" answer is the 30 year old, that just suggests that you identify more closely with that person. It's not a question of the 30 year old having a more objectively excellent opinion, it's a question of who's taste is more likely to be predictive of yours.

Speaking to popularity, I felt the whole Pepsi "taste test" ads were fairly stupid. If I like Coke better (hypothetically), what relevance does it have if every other human on Earth thinks Pepsi tastes better? When it comes to opinion, popularity is really quite irrelevant.

WaspStar · 09-28-2008, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Minstrel

It depends on which one is closer to you in taste. If you feel that the "obvious" answer is the 30 year old, that just suggests that you identify more closely with that person. It's not a question of the 30 year old having a more objectively excellent opinion, it's a question of who's taste is more likely to be predictive of yours.

Speaking to popularity, I felt the whole Pepsi "taste test" ads were fairly stupid. If I like Coke better (hypothetically), what relevance does it have if every other human on Earth thinks Pepsi tastes better? When it comes to opinion, popularity is really quite irrelevant.

Exactly! We tend to value someone's opinions more if we can relate to that person; it has nothing to do with popularity or objective value.

Brad Stengel · 09-27-2008, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Wayfarer

There are no "informed" opinions on music. You either like it or you don't and that's where it ends. Again, you're an egotistical ****ing twat if you think your opinion is more valid than anybody else's simply because you listen to more music than the average person does. There's just as much a chance of you liking the album the 13 year-old girl recommended as there is a chance of you liking the album the 30 year-old guy recommended, assuming you haven't told them anything about what you're into beforehand.

How am I egotistical? I'm just bringing up an idea. Settle the fuck down. Ignorance of music does factor into liking it or not, its not a black and white world. You're just being naive for the sake of your argument.

Brad Stengel · 09-27-2008, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Wayfarer

Ah, no, I didn't mean YOU you. Sorry 'bout that. Should've worded it differently.

Oh, okay, no problem, Im just trying to play devils advocate, so any insults percieved can be frustrating.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 09-26-2008, 02:05 PM

I don't buy this Objective stuff at least when it comes to music anyway.

It's all personal opinion however you dress it up. It's just that some peoples personal opinion has more influence than others. I don't pretend to speak for anybody else when I forward an opinion and to do anything else but that to me smacks of arrogance & egotism.

I mean what is Objectively anyway?

I don't think anyone has ever looked at an album like Blonde on Blonde or Revolver or Pet Sounds in an objective way.

They're albums that struck a chord with people at the right time in the right place both musically & socially ,and are fondly remembered for doing so , that's why they are regarded so highly. They're not regarded highly because someone looked at them and decided they were the finest example of music ever made and then decreeing it to everybody.

jackhammer · 09-26-2008, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

They're albums that struck a chord with people at the right time in the right place both musically & socially ,and are fondly remembered for doing so , that's why they are regarded so highly. They're not regarded highly because someone looked at them and decided they were the finest example of music ever made and then decreeing it to everybody.

Unfortunately this is what many critics and major magazines do. Now if someone has a particularly persuasive line in opinion, I will listen to an album but music is an art form no matter how you dress it up and people have many differing opinions. none of them are right.

Is this Art:

It's only opinions in regard to it's asthetic beauty. No right or wrong.

**Janszoon** · 09-26-2008, 02:18 PM

Ah, you got to love Damien Hirst.

Piss Me Off · 09-26-2008, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Ah, you got to love Damien Hirst.

I don't

**Janszoon** · 09-26-2008, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Piss Me Off

I don't

B-b-but you have to.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 09-26-2008, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer

Unfortunately this is what many critics and major magazines do.

And thats why I don't read them anymore

09-26-2008, 02:05 PM	#5 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,626	I don't buy this Objective stuff at least when it comes to music anyway. It's all personal opinion however you dress it up. It's just that some peoples personal opinion has more influence than others. I don't pretend to speak for anybody else when I forward an opinion and to do anything else but that to me smacks of arrogance & egotism. I mean what is Objectively anyway? I don't think anyone has ever looked at an album like Blonde on Blonde or Revolver or Pet Sounds in an objective way. They're albums that struck a chord with people at the right time in the right place both musically & socially ,and are fondly remembered for doing so , that's why they are regarded so highly. They're not regarded highly because someone looked at them and decided they were the finest example of music ever made and then decreeing it to everybody. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

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Janszoon Mate, Spawn & Die Join Date: May 2007 Location: The Rapping Community Posts: 24,593	Ah, you got to love Damien Hirst.