I appreciate that and i'm pleased about that but I also think MB could be even better and get more members on board with a few tweaks. I have been on a few other forums that recommend some great tunes and I would love MB to be that but as we stretch ourselves so wide, I don't know if it will ever happen.

lol, this is the best thing I've read here in a long time

alright so I finally read through the entire thread.

MB doesn't cater well to the smaller genres, Reggae I feel for, but what we should ask these people to do is post some youtube of their favorite stuff. I'd review it then, but Metal is a different animal.

Metal is generally self-insular. I think the guy picked at random who listens to Reggae would listen to some other things.

I think when picked at random, most metal guys are more inclined to listen to mostly metal-like genres. (I fully expect someone to champion the outliers on this one)

My biggest problem with musicbanter is that we "reform" too many people. If you showed up here listening to utter trash, like so many of our newbs do, you do one of two thigns. Leave or conform.

The biggest problem is the conformity because it never seems to leave. I feel strongly that a great many posters don't express their honest opinions. You don't come here listneing to Trapt and within three months find nothing wrong with anything David Bowie's ever done.

What I suspect is happening is that kids looking for acceptance leanr the score and what to remain on the inside. You see a huge disparity from the younger ones and the older ones (age wise) in how they approach their favorite acts.

I look at Urbans avatar, and then I look at comments by dac and Sweet_Nothing saying "they'd smack someone in the face if they talked smack about Radiohead"

Call it what you want, but I think its at the very least indicative of the problem around here. There is a terible fear of saying someone you don't like isn't good, theres a bigger of fear of thinking an artist you like has done something ****ty, musically.

Thats my .02 cents

Edit: I gave too little to the reggae point. What I mean to say is that we're not going to explore all of reggae in 3 days, but have them give us common ground to start from. at least at that point we can have a conversation with them.

No that isnt it. We CAN'T cater to the smaller genres because not enough listen to it. I only used that as an example and I personally have done my utmost to promote reggae but it's just not big enough to draw people in, so maybe we should ditch a few forums and up the ante on our strengths?

Metal is definitely insular. I spent my youth exclusively in that genre and realised that at an early age. I'm am pertaining to the fact that we have a metal forum so new members join expecting debate and usually get fired off or leave which is understandable but disappointing too. I guess I wish that everyone could be like myself and just listen to everything but that won't happen.

As for kid's looking for acceptance-virtually everyone under 20 is looking for acceptance and in many cases many over that age, and that is an understandable trait but you are right in the fact that this is also to the detriment of individualism in may cases.

I Know that this thread is ultimately my own personal rant at not Just aspects of MB but listening habits on a whole, I do however feel that there are not enough well thought out opinions voiced on MB which is a crying shame. Except you Big3. Kudos to you.

I'm going to pretend that those comments were sincere; thank you.

With regard to Reggae, I know I have only a small amount of time during the week where I'm able to listen to music period. I don't dislike Reggae but its one of those things where I would have to put in a considerable amount of work to know what to listen to during those two hours on monday night when I can hear things.

My suggestion might be to take Metal and make it its own forum. If its insular, let it be insular but I don't think we should drop the banner of musical expansion, especially with a genre that needs it more than others.

How about a "thing of the week" feature on the site where, featured prominently at the top of the page we have a few videos up there for viewing. Not comment, but viewing. If people should find their way to listening to more, viewing that forum, or making a thread, so be it. But I don't know if its wrong to feature an act each week. Downloads to me are quite a bit of work, I'm on a 7 year old computer with no room left for anything and the lurking visage of viri everywhere.

I think these guys pining for uploaded files forget that not everyones working on an Alienware laptop.

The kids are kids, and I won't lie, I ****ing hate them. They make me hate this site, they do nothing but make humorless, inside-jokes at one another with leet speak but most folks frown on genocide. Maybe I'm still sore from my witchhunt when I was a mod. No, I'm definitely still sore. In 3 years well see who comes around.

A 'Topic Of The Week' if you will, is a good idea in theory but in practice it would need continual upkeep. However there is a germ of an idea there for sure.

Ill run it out of my blog until it takes off.

I'll assist with moderation;

In fact what if we put it in Editors pick?

Well the thing is, there aren't supposed to be comments on the videos, there in existance to experience a kind of music and then explore that in our given forums.

This is just the idea in my head, I'm more than accepting of suggestions or changes. What do you think?

Should we allow comments?

That was a rather sarcastic quote by Sweet_Nothing that you are referring to. Not everyone is going to be able to handle adversity like jackhammer. Some people, myself sometimes included, are just gonna be pissed if you say some bands are bad.

I actually agree with TheBig3KilledMyRainDog. This forum needs to become more militant, ban anyone with unworthy music taste and flame anyone that trys to like bad music.

Yeah but you are still here so tolerance must be a valued commodity!

Not necessarily.
Experience is a valued commodity especially in hiu's case.
He's only still here because we haven't banned him yet.
He's made more comebacks than Status Quo and unless he's matured since his last chance here, then in my experience, his banning is only a matter of time.

I have already seen the connotations here and was only going along for the ride.

Message to Hello, how are you?/hiu/Adam.
As usual, it's up to you.

thats actually anathma to my point, then again, given the audience I'm not suprised. welcome back.

A certain (ex) poster called Don springs to mind.;)

Define "bad" music. What seems bad to you may infact be one of the best pieces ever played and vice versa

Half the music talked about in here imo is complete bollocks and I wouldn't cross the road to see any of the bands mentioned, but that's an example of differing tastes

I like how you used an obscure word but spelt it wrong. Good 2 be back, loveleee <3.


LOL @ DON

Actually when you're a nerd like me its used in regular speech.

And by the by, comprehension > grammar

welcome back

I feel that there are members which adhere to this archetype, but most members step out of their comfort zone and confront music which they're unaccustomed to listening to. When my computer was functional ("the good ol' days") I tried to snap up everything that seemed remotely unusual, but even so, I've yet to develop a taste for certain kinds of music.

like?

I listen to a lot of stuff I don't post about.

for example?

and why?

I think we all listen to a lot that we don't post about. Anyways what sucks is the lack of forum participation in the classic rock/psych and prog battle of the bands happening right now in the classic rock/prog and psychedelic sub-forum!

/shameless plug.

Two and One

Useless old fart moderators never finish their bloody threads.

I'm pretty in love with Adrian Orange, Karl Blau, The Halo Benders, etc, etc, name drop, name drop. Why would I make a thread on every band I like? I'm pretty sure most people hold back on most of the stuff they like different from everyone and just focus on posting on stuff they have in common. Music is too broad of a subject. If you go to more genre/label oriented boards that's where you find a good healthy discussion on more obscure bands.

Or when people just assume, and bash a certain band (could be any) and really don't stop to think about how hard it really is to actually write a decent song. If they're so upset about bands lacking innovations, I've got 7 guitars, 2 basseseses, banjo, mandolin, and two drum kits, they are free to record some songs here any time they feel the need to complain the artists out there now.

Only people who make good music are in a place to call music bad?

Nope. People who try, people who put forth the same amount of energy as any band. Mainstream or indie. I have respect for basically any and every band I ever saw pouring buckets of sweat to an empty audience, who recorded it all in their own house because they never had the money for studio time, for the bands who spend time after the shows talking to fans because they really do mean something to them. I just don't like people whining about things they too, can achieve. It's silly. As for mainstream bands, good for them. I don't much care for most of the material, but they obviously worked hard enough to get themselves where they are. Their time will rise and fall, that's just the way it is, but they did it. That's what matters.

Being a musician obviously puts music in a different perspective. I just don't think that not being one makes your opinions void (which you cleared up in your last comment that that's probably not what were implying). Someone who doesn't play music probably doesn't have much room to speak on the originality of a band unless they're a total rip off.

Most definitely, it wasn't my intent to attack non-musicians, I just want them to see how much is put into the songs they listen to. I just find some people can become really vicious about these sorts of things, and it's just amazing. I respect anyone who puts themselves out there, whether or not its music. It could be any art for that matter, I respect that. I don't however respect angsty teens who completely rip apart this band or that band because it doesn't fit their ridiculous standards, because lets face it, how the hell CAN you relate to a teenager who constantly flip flops on how they feel for the moment. We've all been there, we know its true. So, like I said, they can say something, sure, but would I like to see them take a stab at it first? Why not, might round them up a bit culturally. Hopefully.

Want to PM me tracks from those acts and I'll check it out?

I'll agree that people exagerate their point half the time so it doesn't sound so rehashed and boring, but we're walking down the path of "its not ok to say you don't like something because effort was put in."

Its fine to say you don't like something so long as you say why. If I hurt someones feeling thats really thier burden to bare, unless its something personal like

"jesus christ no wonder you were adopted. If my wife ****s a kid out like you, the best you'd hope for is adoption."

If its pertaining to the art you shouldn't limit it.

I guess that makes sense, but I guess what I'm really just getting at is the basics our mother's taught us all. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. Or put up or shut up. Both work fine in this situation. People just need to give props where props are due, ya dig?

#2 . Bandwagon Fans

No it is'nt a band. Merely a state of mind. Stop following the crowd. Have a dig around and introduce me to some bands. If there is no one new you have heard then balls to the bandwagon. If it's crap, then say it's crap. Fuck kudos points and listen to what you want to. There are far too many robots on MB that agree with every new band that comes along. Be your own person and like what you like. Of course don't turn into an ******* and berate everyone's tastes but be comfortable in your tastes. I am :D

I never saw this. I'll put something together.

i don't see that much here actually everyone seems to have their own unique opinion.

:(

I listen to MxPx and no one is going to tell me they're shit.

...and fair play to you. Seriously. If this was the only thing that you listened to then it could be construed as narrow minded but knowing your tastes these days it's all cool.

1) Douchebag retard mods and annoying users.