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jackhammer 12-18-2008 07:16 PM

Top 5 Reasons why MB sucks.
 
1) Fanboys.


I am a Pink Floyd fanboy but I will always listen to a counter argument and will even assimilate a well written argument into a review or thoughts about a particular release. Unfortunately fanboys don't do this. They have a mental blockage to accept an inherent fault or criticism of their favourite bands. This displays a lack of short sightedness and ignorance. I am not asking anybody to change their mind about their favourite album or band when I question them. I do however expect a mature response when I profess my opinions on certain bands and my reasons for disliking certain aspects.

All of a sudden the haters become belligerent fools and are dismissed with a logical disregard to their credentials.

I am not berating music tastes here, far from it. We are all utterly individual but this holier than thou approach that many people apply to their bands is both narrow minded and counter productive.

Urban Hat€monger ? 12-18-2008 07:22 PM

Can I add people who moan about rock n roll bands not being innovative when that's clearly not what they're trying to achieve and who then go on to praise the latest indie/folky flavour of the month that sounds identical to the last one that came along.

cheers :thumb:

Janszoon 12-18-2008 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger (Post 566104)
Can I add people who moan about rock n roll bands not being innovative when that's clearly not what they're trying to achieve and who then go on to praise the latest indie/folky flavour of the month that sounds identical to the last one that came along.

cheers :thumb:

Heh. True. True.

jackhammer 12-18-2008 07:26 PM

NMH perhaps? lol

Janszoon 12-18-2008 07:30 PM

I'm eagerly awaiting the other entries in this series.

Urban Hat€monger ? 12-18-2008 07:31 PM

Well I don't want to name names , but people complain about AC/DC sounding the same. When was the last time you saw that criticism levelled at someone like Sebadoh or Guided By Voices , just as valid targets in my opinion.

Janszoon 12-18-2008 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger (Post 566115)
Well I don't want to name names , but people complain about AC/DC sounding the same. When was the last time you saw that criticism levelled at someone like Sebadoh or Guided By Voices , just as valid targets in my opinion.

Or Bright Eyes.

Urban Hat€monger ? 12-18-2008 07:33 PM

Never listened to them to notice TBH

Janszoon 12-18-2008 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger (Post 566119)
Never listened to them to notice TBH

You aren't missing anything.

dac 12-18-2008 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 566108)
NMH perhaps? lol

:| you could have picked a much better example...

Janszoon 12-18-2008 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dac (Post 566126)
:| you could have picked a much better example...

I'm going with Bright Eyes.

jackhammer 12-18-2008 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dac (Post 566126)
:| you could have picked a much better example...

..and this is exactly what I am talking about. Have you ever read my Pink Floyd album review thread? PF are my favourite band yet I diss them many times and it is deserved. Fanboys will not let any negativity enter their world and that breeds elitism and antagonism.

Urban Hat€monger ? 12-18-2008 07:43 PM

I'd just like to point out at this point I have plenty of albums by AC/DC , Sebadoh & Guided By Voices and listen to them regually (Well OK not Guided By Voices I've not listened to them in years I do have some standards) . But not Bright Eyes hence me not including them in my list.

Janszoon 12-18-2008 07:48 PM

Not to sound like a jackass but I think a lot of the defensive fanboyism has to with where people are in their lives too. I wasn't having music discussions on message boards at the time but when I was in my teens and early twenties I think I was a lot more defensive about my favorite bands than I am now.

dac 12-18-2008 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 566132)
..and this is exactly what I am talking about. Have you ever read my Pink Floyd album review thread? PF are my favourite band yet I diss them many times and it is deserved. Fanboys will not let any negativity enter their world and that breeds elitism and antagonism.

I literally meant that you could have picked a better example, regardless of my opinions on it... NMH has gone past a flavor of the month status, the general fascination with them has lasted years.

sleepy jack 12-18-2008 07:55 PM

I'd say the fanboyism thing is a two-way street, anytime you get too worked up about a band on here it's generally annoying.

jackhammer 12-18-2008 07:59 PM

I just want people to have the balls to argue their corner and accept counter arguments too.

boo boo 12-19-2008 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger (Post 566119)
Never listened to them to notice TBH

Lucky you.

Generally I think the worst thing about this forum is that 90% of all it's content is overwhelming negative, yet everyone seems to agree on the same things.

The only conflict on this site tends to come in the form of a helpless f*ck trying to argue with over 30 different people at once.

DJ Phoenix 12-19-2008 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger (Post 566115)
Well I don't want to name names , but people complain about AC/DC sounding the same. When was the last time you saw that criticism levelled at someone like Sebadoh or Guided By Voices , just as valid targets in my opinion.


Just as: Aerosmith/Metallica/Bon Jovi/ and the like sound alike as well. All these bands seem to do is release the same cd w/a different name.

boo boo 12-19-2008 04:53 AM

Funny that you bring up Metallica.

You see, their albums DON'T all the sound the same, and it's that very reason that they have abandoned so many of their fans.

Changing your sound can be a bad thing, in some cases.

It depends on the music, if you want to take yourself seriously as an artist, you don't want to repeat yourself.

Bands like AC/DC and Van Halen, are just entertainers, they don't consider themselves artists, and theres nothing wrong with that either, rock n roll at it's core is about having fun, the same criticisms people make of AC/DC and Van Halen could be made of Chuck Berry and Little Richard, but no one has the balls to do that.

FireInCairo 12-19-2008 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by boo boo (Post 566269)
the same criticisms people make of AC/DC and Van Halen could be made of Chuck Berry and Little Richard, but no one has the balls to do that.

I DO
They're both interminably boring.

boo boo 12-19-2008 05:43 AM

Ok, you have balls, you're also wrong, congratulations, ballsy wrong person.

FireInCairo 12-19-2008 05:45 AM

I was mainly kidding, but come on, chuck berry has one song. Live he would be fantastic, but on record he can't sustain my interest.

boo boo 12-19-2008 05:52 AM

I'm not a Berry or Little Richard fan, or a fan of 50s rock n roll at all, but I have respect for the guys and their music. I'm not too into them, but I wouldn't call their music boring either, not at all.

I do however think Berry and Richard are extremely overrated when people praise them and diss Zeppelin, AC/DC and Van Halen, when it's all the same kind of music when you get down to it.

At least you are consistant, I'll give you that, if you hate Zeppelin, AC/DC and Van Halen then goddammit you should hate Berry and Richard too, I hate it when people pretend they don't just because so many people think every old black guy in the music industry has to be put on a pedestal, immune to any criticism.

Yeah, there, I said it.

FireInCairo 12-19-2008 05:58 AM

Good for you.
And I agree.

Bulldog 12-19-2008 06:11 AM

I'll admit I'm quite the Elvis Costello fanboy, so it must sound a bit rich coming from me, but I agree that fanboyism in general is pretty damn annoying. This is why I never go back to a certain fan forum I used to moderate on - countless posts just elevating the singer-songwriter in question to some godlike, be-all end-all status and any views top contrary being beaten down. I'm not necessarily saying it's like that here, I'm just saying that that kind of thing pisses me off and I agree with the thread (so far).

Anteater 12-19-2008 08:57 AM

I find people who bash Radiohead to bits almost as annoying as those who praise the band to death, and the same goes for other bands who seem to polarize their potential audiences.

mannny 12-19-2008 10:39 AM

^I agree. Mindless bashing a band is just as bad as mindlessly obsessing over a band.

Janszoon 12-19-2008 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ Phoenix (Post 566251)
Just as: Aerosmith/Metallica/Bon Jovi/ and the like sound alike as well. All these bands seem to do is release the same cd w/a different name.

It's interesting to me that you managed to pick three examples that are all bands that have actually significantly changed their sound over the course of their careers.

MakeitLegit 12-19-2008 11:53 AM

I'm fairly new here and my musical tastes are surprisingly unique. I like hair metal. There I said it. I love Poison and Crue and all that stuff.

I'd put it up against emo and pop and anything else anyday. It's the people HERE that just roll their eyes. My guitarists can really really play. The drummers can play and the singers get waaay up there. The musicianship is so good that I believe people roll their eyes out of "I can't do that" rather than scoffing.

Hair metal is just as valid as anything else. Hey, at least I enjoy my music rather than always trying to get something out of it. I'll sing along to songs about booze and cars and babes. You people can moan along to your inner turmoil or whatever the hell else you want.

Janszoon 12-19-2008 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MakeitLegit (Post 566405)
I'm fairly new here and my musical tastes are surprisingly unique. I like hair metal. There I said it. I love Poison and Crue and all that stuff.

I'd put it up against emo and pop and anything else anyday. It's the people HERE that just roll their eyes. My guitarists can really really play. The drummers can play and the singers get waaay up there. The musicianship is so good that I believe people roll their eyes out of "I can't do that" rather than scoffing.

Hair metal is just as valid as anything else. Hey, at least I enjoy my music rather than always trying to get something out of it. I'll sing along to songs about booze and cars and babes. You people can moan along to your inner turmoil or whatever the hell else you want.

Hair metal is what dominated the radio until I was 14 or 15 so I'll admit that I like a certain amount of it out of nostalgia but I have to tell you I don't think I've ever heard a hair metal album that is a solid piece of work from beginning to end. There are usually a couple of fun tracks and then a whole lot of filler. That's my gripe with hair metal, that it's boring. It has nothing to do with whether the musicians are skilled or not.

MakeitLegit 12-19-2008 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 566408)
Hair metal is what dominated the radio until I was 14 or 15 so I'll admit that I like a certain amount of it out of nostalgia but I have to tell you I don't think I've ever heard a hair metal album that is a solid piece of work from beginning to end. There are usually a couple of fun tracks and then a whole lot of filler. That's my gripe with hair metal, that it's boring. It has nothing to do with whether the musicians are skilled or not.

Valid point. There's a lot of filler. Very few bands were able to do a completely solid album. There are exceptions, of course, but I'm not here to throw out band names. I'll stick to the subject.

boo boo 12-19-2008 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mannny (Post 566372)
^I agree. Mindless bashing a band is just as bad as mindlessly obsessing over a band.

^ This.

Mojo 12-19-2008 01:24 PM

Metallica fans. Not fanboys, Metallica fans. Metallica fans are a different kind of fanboy and we have some on the boards here, even though they dont tend to stick around long.

Im a Metallica fan too so in a way I feel I should probably condemn myself also but the difference is I actually acknowledge the existence of other bands that arent Pantera, Slayer or Megadeth.

LOOMER 12-19-2008 01:34 PM

2) Annoying threads that lack content, except for single- or two word-posts

I stage a coup d'thread and announce my own complaint about this forum. Although I have read a few good threads, there still is a disturbing majority of threads of the type "What was the latest album you bought" or "Your most listened song", which contain NO discussion or debate... If you really listened to the song 600 times the past month: WHY? After having heard it that many times, surely you have _something_ to say about it? These threads tend to just become meaningless lists where nobody reads or comments the other posts, and just writes their two words and then they're done.

I say, we start a Noah's ark for the really interested people...

MakeitLegit 12-19-2008 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mojopinuk (Post 566462)
Metallica fans. Not fanboys, Metallica fans. Metallica fans are a different kind of fanboy and we have some on the boards here, even though they dont tend to stick around long.

Im a Metallica fan too so in a way I feel I should probably condemn myself also but the difference is I actually acknowledge the existence of other bands that arent Pantera, Slayer or Megadeth.

Is a fanboy someone who just never sees any negative in a band? If so I'm the opposite. Most of my bands have more bad stuff than good! Ha.

Mojo 12-19-2008 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MakeitLegit (Post 566468)
Is a fanboy someone who just never sees any negative in a band? If so I'm the opposite. Most of my bands have more bad stuff than good! Ha.

In a way. These forums have been littered with fanboys, not just Metallica fanboys who will take a constructive, negative comment regarding a band and respond with a very intelligently planned "**** u! (insert band name here) rulez peopulz!"

jackhammer 12-19-2008 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by LOOMER (Post 566467)
2) Annoying threads that lack content, except for single- or two word-posts

I stage a coup d'thread and announce my own complaint about this forum. Although I have read a few good threads, there still is a disturbing majority of threads of the type "What was the latest album you bought" or "Your most listened song", which contain NO discussion or debate... If you really listened to the song 600 times the past month: WHY? After having heard it that many times, surely you have _something_ to say about it? These threads tend to just become meaningless lists where nobody reads or comments the other posts, and just writes their two words and then they're done.

I say, we start a Noah's ark for the really interested people...

Instead of bitching about it start a thread that will encourage debate then. I and many others would love some threads of this nature and the mods especially try to do this.

boo boo 12-19-2008 02:05 PM

Fan = To really like something.

Fanboy = To really like something and that's the only thing you seem to really like.

simplephysics 12-19-2008 02:56 PM

There is far too much bright eyes hate in this thread.


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