Paedantic Basterd

I'd welcome you to share a video of her placing top 10 in a marathon, and while I admit that her weight may be the only physical "complication" (for lack of a better word, since you don't seem to accept obesity as being related to health) she experiences, the scientific evidence is that overweight and obese people are prone to health risks as a direct result of their weight.

None of what I am arguing is about her attractiveness; I definitely think a curvy-to-overweight woman is entirely capable of being gorgeous, I just don't think it's accurate of you to paint her as the picture of health given what we do know about obesity and its health risks. Truth be told, we're both making assumptions about her health, the difference being that yours seem to be based on wishful thinking, whilst mine are based on what we know of health and the complications of obesity.

thirtiesgirl

As are an equal amount of people who maintain the standard thin body image. And why does a fat person need to prove their mobility to you by running a marathon? Is the ability to run a marathon the only predictor of a person's health and mobility? Hardly.

I'm not "painting her as the picture of health," as you say, or assuming that's she's healthy. What I've said is that you can't make assumptions about a fat person's health simply based on their appearance. I don't know any more about Beth's health than you do, which is why I've said nothing on the subject other than we can't make any assumptions about it. I don't judge anyone's health or anyone's appearance, as the two are very often not related.

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Paedantic Basterd

Completely true. In fact, I made that comment on the last page as well. I don't disagree.



I think there's an extent to which you have a reasonable point, but that it's not unfair and absurd to (generally) consider it an indicator of health, the exact same way that jaundice, or being underweight, or having a massive headwound can indicate an illness or injury. My point isn't that she's going to suffer a pulmonary embolism any second, it's simply that yes, she could be healthier. She's not AS healthy AS she CAN be, even if it's not causing her a great deal of trouble. I'm definitely not saying she can't live a normal life or be attractive to anybody.

thirtiesgirl

Again, how do you know she's not as healthy as she can be? You haven't seen her medical records, so you have no idea what her blood pressure, triglycerides or cholesterol levels are like. You're not her doctor. Again, you're basing your assumption on size. There are many, many fat people in the world who are perfectly healthy, with no blood pressure or cholesterol issues. Beth may be one of them. We have no idea unless she chooses to tell us. And since her health is no one's business but her own, I highly doubt she'll be sharing it with the general public any time soon.

Years ago, I worked at a middle school with a principal who was in his 50s and by physical appearance, was the "picture of health." He jogged before work every day, maintained a trim physique, ate healthfully (from the meals I saw him eat at work)... and one day, he came home from his early morning jog before work, had a massive coronary and died on the kitchen floor before making his protein shake. I share this as an example of why we can't judge someone's health by their physical appearance and their activities. You never know, and you can't assume.

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Paedantic Basterd

Well, since you refuse to acknowledge weight as relating to health and the body whatsoever, it's entirely pointless of me to continue trying to reach a point of mutual agreement with you.

Paedantic Basterd

Now, to be entirely fair to everyone and return to topic, I think there are some flattering photos of Beth Ditto available, but they tend to be where she looks more like a normal human being than the character of her stage presence.

Urban Hat€monger ?

Yes it would because in his original post all Zaqarbal did was post a picture of a woman he found unattractive, in this case Beth Ditto.

It was YOU that bought up the weight issue later on.

So yes, a picture of Courtney Love would have implied the exact same thing.

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Goblin Tears

Why is thritiesgirl being forced to defend her choices in who she finds attractive? Other members have said here ''I find her unattractive, and that's MY opinion''. Well someone has the opinion that she is attractive, and they are entitled to this also. She can post here, she shouldn't be rudely linked to other threads. Now LEAVE her alone.

The Fascinating Turnip

What I saw was Zaqarbal directing thirtiesgirl to a number of threads in which several "types" - if you will - of beauty are discussed and getting attacked for compartmentalising women.
I thought her attitude was arrogant, defensive and unnecessary, and from that point on I don't really care if she's right or not, if she's treated badly or not.

s_k

She's not completely caucasion so I guess she's not all that dutch.
She's not ugly, but entirely not my type. Slutty all the way. And she doesn't look that smart.

Eitherway, I'm very ashamed that crap like Vengaboys and Aqua comes from here. No matter what their singer looks like.


The discussion above is at total waste of Energy.
I can't say I like the way Beth Ditto looks. Haven't got a clue who she is by the way.
But why start a topic about taste when you criticize eachother's taste?
Tastes differ. You don't have to agree.
And I think Thirtiesgirl likes Beth for her don't give a **** attitude in the first place and not because she's a beautiful woman. She's not even trying to be, I guess.

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