s_k

No. s_k wrote that
This girl, Kim from Vengaboys, is slutty.

And s_k has really had enough of defending himself for things he didn't say all the time. You really should read. And when you get angry, step away from the computer, count to ten, and read again. Because this isn't working for you .

I'm sure that's why Unchained ballad understood what I meant so well.

I was actually quoting Zaqarbal's posting and replied underneath that.
I don't mind that you are making mistakes here at all, but I do mind that you rather stick your energy in being cross with forum members, than stick your energy in reading what is actually said.

That's all the energy I'll give to this issue now.
You may want to wake up and see that more people than just me are having a problem with your posting style. And altough I think everyone should try to adapt to eachother as much as possible, it's not one way traffic.
Put some effort in it, because you're really not making any friends this way.

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thirtiesgirl

Hon, I know what this thread is about. After looking through a handful of posts, it became patently obvious. My intent in posting the pics I posted was not to derail the thread, but to present an alternative. There are plenty of threads on this forum and others, all about pics of women who guys find physically attractive. There are a million porn sites dedicated to that very thing, so if that's what you want to see and post, that's where you should do it. Unfortunately, it occurs on non-porn sites all too frequently, so I think it's valuable to sometimes present an alternative so that forum readers can see that there are many other reasons to appreciate women besides just their physical appearance.

Yes, hon, you did. You wrote, "the tone you took just now was perfectly adequate." That's different than "the tone you took just now was polite and I appreciated it." Regardless, my point in this thread is not to earn your admiration or appreciation. That's why I called you out on your assessment that I'm "perfectly adequate." You seem to be operating under the assumption that I should only post things that please you, which is just not gonna happen. You can't demand behavior from others based on what you want. You certainly can't demand it of me.

Oy vey. Clueless much? Slut shaming is wrong, no matter who it's directed at, Kim from Vengaboys or Beth Ditto.

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thirtiesgirl

Hon, when it comes to slut shaming and sizeism, I'm going to speak my mind. Yes, I've made some errors in determining who said what. But this is not the first time you've engaged in slut shaming on this forum. You've refered to other women as sluts in other threads, too, and I think you're seriously misguided in making that statement. When you call a woman a slut, you're calling her sexual activities into question and judging her for them. Do we really need to maintain that double standard here? I don't think so.

As if my only reason for being here is to make friends. Do you really think all women do the things they do just to be liked by others?

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Sansa Stark

You are the one pushing for fat acceptance here, man. Why do you have to force someone to be okay with it if you're so comfortable with yourself?

The Fascinating Turnip

You just assumed that I agreed with this thread just because I called you out on your obnoxious attitude.
Furthermore, if there's a thread on this forum about it, members shall post in this thread, and not in a porn site. You know, just like you're not supposed to please me, other members aren't supposed to please you.

The mere linking of a woman's body to pornography completely baffled me there. Convervative much? Nude models are prostitutes in your little world as well?

I merely said I think you're being an utter arse to a few members, and you're not admitting you made a mistake.

If you're really so cool and if you just don't care, why are you having this argument with me? (Seems Dayna beat me to this bit)

Stop being so bloody paranoid. "Perfectly adequate" just meant that you were being civil, which is what's required in this forum, as in most. I hardly meant all women belong in the kitchen with that.

thirtiesgirl

Because I'm a size activist and I don't do it in half measures. If I see someone engaging in sizeist behavior, I'm going to call them out on it. Being happy with myself for who I am doesn't mean I have to tolerate sizeism when I see it.

Nor do I expect them to. I'm not demanding that the mods close this thread and stop people from posting any kind of pics they want in it. What I did was post an alternative to the usual in this thread and when questioned about it, I defended my actions. I haven't demanded that anyone stop posting pics, but pointed out when Zaq's pics were unnecessary, and have pointed out sizeism when it appears in the hopes that people might re-think their actions.

Whew, sounds like you need some education. The point of porn is to objectify the people being photographed - mostly women - and to provide visual stimulation to those who like to view porn. If guys here are posting pics of women that they find physically attractive, they're objectifying those women - seeing them as nothing other than body parts and faces. If that's what they want to do, I think it would be better suited to a porn forum. Again, I can't stop people from posting any kind of pics they want, for whatever reason they want to post them. The mods maintain the posting rules here. But I can present an alternative, which is what I did. And I should be able to do it just like anyone else here, without being questioned about what I've posted and why, and without having size hatred thrown in my face.

Your statement that I'm being "an utter arse to a few members" is your opinion. Why should I apologize for your opinion?

I understand your intention behind your statement that I'm "perfectly adequate," Unchained, but it's apparent you didn't think about how those words might be taken. I know you didn't intend to insult, but it is insulting because it plays into the long overused standard that women are here to please and win approval from men, to have everyone like them, etc. That's not what I'm about, as should be clear by now.

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Sansa Stark

You seem to put your "sizeism" bull**** on the same plane as racism or homophobia. You cannot help being gay or of a different race, and therefore should not be **** on for it. However, the majority of people who are fat CAN help it. Sure, I understand that some people eat for comfort, take some responsibility for yourself and get a shrink and find the real problem. Society really is becoming too fat friendly these days, and unlike being gay or being black or mexican or whatever you are, it can damage your health. You can be a size activist all you want, but it won't be for that long if you're so okay with being obese.

And stop telling people that they need to be educated, you need some better lines, you sound like Dr Phil with his "you need to get real!!!" catchphrase.

The Fascinating Turnip

And as long as we're going on about what "might" be offensive:

- Telling people what to do like you own the sacred truth might be offensive;
- Calling people "Hon" can be belittling and offensive;
- Insinuating people need education is quite offensive.

And it's my opinion? I'm quite sure s_k was quite offended him when you accused him of not expressing himself properly when you clearly don't know how to read.

Paedantic Basterd

On the topic of society, believe me, it's absolutely not fat friendly in the slightest. I think it's just shy of rounding all the overweight people up and stoning them to death. I think Thirtiesgirl has a lot of great sentiments, but is just taking the smallest details out of context, and honestly, I think she came in here looking for a fight.

He was actually talking about that chick from the Vengaboys.

Now who's making assumptions? We have a lot of people here whose native language isn't English, and they're all superb at articulating themselves. I had no trouble figuring out what he was going on about. People whose first language is English slaughter dialogue as well, you know.

Urban Hat€monger ?

The fact still remains he posted a picture of a woman of a woman he found attractive and a woman he didn't.

It was YOU who bought up the fat issue, all I said was that he could have posted a picture of any woman that is disliked by people whether that woman be fat, thin, yellow, orange, purple ...whatever.

Beth Ditto is the last obnoxious female I can think of to come along in the world of music, I dislike her just in the same way I disliked Karen O before her and Courtney Love before her. Neither of those two are fat, just extremely annoying. In fact I suggest you do a Courtney Love search on the forum. The amount of abuse that woman gets here is much worse than anything Ditto gets.

And one last thing, please don't make assumptions about people posting here. 'How you feel about us', What is that supposed to mean?
My Mother, my sister and myself have battled with weight issues before.

Stop making yourself out to be a victim or a martyr all the time.While it's admirable you want to do something about this try picking your battles a little better. All I've seen you do so far is gloss over what people say to push your own agenda and personally I think that is one of the most annoying things you can do on a forum.

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