mr dave

Great use of confirmation bias.

There's a huge difference in needing to be online where there will be streaming ads that go back to the broadcaster which in turn allows for more content to be hosted (and a bonus to channels that generate enough traffic) and allows for more bands to have a chance at promoting themselves; rather than just having a copy on any sort of portable storage device where you've got unrestricted access.

Do you understand the difference between stealing and sampling?

If I went to the grocery store and they're offering samples of some cake or something. I never planned on buying the cake but since they're giving away small pieces can I just grab a full cake and walk out? Is there really no difference in just taking it (downloading) rather than sampling it (youtube)?

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Goofle

Cheers for noticing my use of confirmation bias.

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I buy vinyl when I can and when its in good condition and when my local record store sells the weird, obscure music that I listen to. I do download music "illegally", however I am for downloading music "illegally". To quote John Darnielle, the man who everyone should listen to, "They want to hear your music so bad that they weren't able to stop themselves from stealing it... Your not the victim of anything. You are the beneficiary of someone's love."

Key

You can actually take music from Youtube as well.

YouTube to mp3 Converter

So no, there's not much difference.

mr dave

PISS OFF. Some entitled brat's love doesn't pay the bills, it doesn't cover the cost of gas to get to a gig, it doesn't pay the loan for the gear, it doesn't generate revenue for whatever group financed the production of the album. If music was a visual rather than aural would any of you think you had the right to just walk away with a painting because 'you really really liked, no! loved it'? REALLY? Think about that for an honest minute.

Better question... why are only 6 of his songs available for free on his own website but I have the option of purchasing singles through the iStore or discs through distributors?


Right, but you're also technically subverting youtube's service by copying what they're broadcasting. Admittedly no one is really going to say anything about it but it's the same deal as the warnings against making unauthorized copies that were printed on CDs back in the day.

Scroll up a little bit about my What-if music was visual. Copying from youtube is the equivalent of walking through a museum and photocopying paintings.

The issue seems to stem from the fact that just because there's no tangible physical mass to music then it's not 'really' theft. PISS. OFF.

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Goofle

Who thinks it isn't theft? I assume everyone on here knows we are stealing the majority of the music we download. The problem comes when you don't have enough money to pay for every single album you want to listen to. I know that whenever I have money I go and buy a few CD's, but I am on benefits at the moment so the likelihood me legally owning every single piece of music I listen to is not great.

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Shay

I personally buy my music on iTunes because of the user experience and quality of the download.

I used to frequently download free music or do the Youtube thing but its just too time consuming and low quality.

I do still do it on certain songs to see if it is worth actually buying a physical cd or downloading on iTunes.

The music industry business model is changing. I believe the new model will have artists give their best stuff for free on the internet to help expose their brand and image. Once they have loyal fans they can get paid from live concerts, merchandise, etc.

Things are crazy right now and being an affiliate of iTunes, I'm interested in seeing how the new model will affect my business.

Anyways, we will see!

mr dave

WAHHhhhhh I can't afford everything I want WAAAAAAAAAAAAHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!



It seems to me the majority of people trying to justify their piracy DO try to twist the situation around so they don't have to recognize their theft. Your justification falls pretty damn flat when you can still sample just about anything you want to hear, legitmately, for free, by loading up youtube or myspace. So why do you need to have a personal copy rather than using the already available methods?

This magical idea that going to a concert will support the musician and provide them with the riches the label would normally 'steal' from them is bananas as well. Do any of you have any clue to the legitimate costs of putting on a show in your town as opposed to the next town over, as opposed to the next state or province, as opposed to a weekend tour, as opposed to a festival gig?

Guess what? Most concerts barely break even! Especially if you're just an amateur (in which case you're usually losing money). The ones that do turn a big profit... hmmm... run by major promotion companies for well established commercial artists, because they're the only ones who can pull enough people to justify the initial costs of setting up a major event.

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Goofle

I assume you legally own every piece of music you have ever listened to?

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Paedantic Basterd

The way I treat it is this: I would not buy a piece of artwork to hang in my house before I viewed it, so why would I purchase an album to play in it before hearing it? I will download something exactly once to see if I like it, and if I want to hear it again I will buy it.