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Old 10-26-2011, 06:20 PM   #371 (permalink)
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They were pop albums because they had all the attributes of pop. Here's wikipedia's description of pop music, I'd say it's a pretty good fit for the music made by the Beatles:



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Off the top of my head: Buddy Holly. That was in the 50s.

Also, as I mentioned earlier, Phil Spector.
Pop or not, they were great. They were innovative and obviously extremely influential. Give me some songs from Holly and Spector that contain those influences.
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Old 10-26-2011, 06:23 PM   #372 (permalink)
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The Beatles are just pop. Pop. All pop. Hop on pop.
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Old 10-26-2011, 06:28 PM   #373 (permalink)
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The Beatles are just pop. Pop. All pop. Hop on pop.
Whats wrong with that? They are no more pop than Zeppelin or just about any other band of that time.
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Old 10-26-2011, 06:39 PM   #374 (permalink)
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I LOVE pop. So there is nothing wrong with it at all, except that you disagree.
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Old 10-26-2011, 06:56 PM   #375 (permalink)
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I am just accustomed to "pop" being used as a derogatory term. Its a very broad term, so many bands can be considered pop.
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Old 10-26-2011, 07:27 PM   #376 (permalink)
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Pop or not, they were great. They were innovative and obviously extremely influential.
Their greatness and level of innovation are debatable but as one of the most popular musical acts of the past century they certainly had a big influence on pop music.

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Give me some songs from Holly and Spector that contain those influences.
Hmmm... that sounds suspiciously like an order. Why don't you just try googling them? Phil Spector made a career out of producing "wall of sound music" like that (and also produced the Beatles' Let It Be later on in his career). Buddy Holly was moving in that direction in the late 50s, shortly before his death, as evidenced by his last few singles.
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It is a very broad term. Just about everything I listen to contains elements of pop, if it's not a straight up pop sub-genre. You don't have to worry about it being used as an insult around here.
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Old 10-26-2011, 07:47 PM   #378 (permalink)
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Their greatness and level of innovation are debatable but as one of the most popular musical acts of the past century they certainly had a big influence on pop music.


Hmmm... that sounds suspiciously like an order. Why don't you just try googling them? Phil Spector made a career out of producing "wall of sound music" like that (and also produced the Beatles' Let It Be later on in his career). Buddy Holly was moving in that direction in the late 50s, shortly before his death, as evidenced by his last few singles.
Im just telling you to provide proof for the points you are trying to make.
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I just telling you to provide proof of the points you are trying to make.
Sounds like an order again. And, again, google is your friend.
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Old 10-26-2011, 08:04 PM   #380 (permalink)
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When you try to make a point, it's usually good to provide proof to support your point, especially if you want to convince anyone that you are right. And i never said they were THE first, I said they were one of the first.
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