The Official "Music Was So Much Better in the Glorious Days of Yore" Thread

[blastingas10]

Originally Posted by Jack Pat

Uh... yea. Even though the man was a bit misguided in some of his philosophical views, Karlheinz Stockhausen (an electronic composer) could very well be considered just as important as Beethoven. I also consider Alva Noto (a minimalist/electronic artist) to be just as creative as Duke Ellington, and he's one of those "crappy" musicians from the 21st Century that you keep going on about.



Your point?

As important as Beethoven? Haha ya right. Maybe to you. It's not that hard to do, that's my point. A computer itself is not an instrument. It's the proper programs or devices that make it one.

[Paedantic Basterd]

Falsehood!

[blastingas10]

Originally Posted by Pedestrian

I challenge you to write me a song on the computer. Right now. A good song, seeing as you think it's so easy. Failure to rise to this challenge will result in my disregarding your opinion on the matter of music as balderdash forevermore.

I don't have the proper equipment. As a beginner, anyone would find themselves progressing at a faster rate than they would with just about any other instrument.

[Paedantic Basterd]

Originally Posted by blastingas10

I don't have the proper equipment

Pirate it. Go on. I'm waiting for my new favourite song here.

[Phantom Limb]

@blastingas10
How old are you?

[blastingas10]

Originally Posted by Phantom Limb

@blastingas10
How old are you?

Irrelevant

[Kinda Blue]

The fact that you use the term "techno" - apparently - to describe all new, electronic, "crap" music shows how little you know.

Look up some of the albums from this year being recommended around the forum, listen to them and you'll find today's music isn't crap (whether they're electronica-inspired or not).

Edit: http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...bum-lists.html some great albums are being posted here.

[blastingas10]

Originally Posted by Kinda Blue

The fact that you use the term "techno" - apparently - to describe all new, electronic, "crap" music shows how little you know.

Look up some of the albums from this year being recommended around the forum, listen to them and you'll find today's music isn't crap (whether they're electronica-inspired or not).

techno or electronic music are the broadest terms to me. break it down into however many sub-genres you want, label it all you want, it doesnt matter. I have done that. I have yet to find anything that I like. Trust me, ive been DESPERATE for some new good music. Im always looking with an open mind but I cant find anything that appeals to me. The more I look, the more I am assured that crap is abundant these days.

[Kinda Blue]

This is where you are wrong. Read this article: techno tag (bold paragraph).

If you pick at least 10 of these albums and listen tom them thoroughly; if you don't like any of them, you're either really close minded or your taste in music is funny. But please don't tell me 21st century music is crap. Some of it is.

[Zer0]

Originally Posted by blastingas10

I had a feeling you would. You think that any one of these electronic or "tecno" musicians are as talented or as influential as some of the great classical composers like Beethoven? Or one of the brilliant jazz musicians such as Duke Ellington? Or one of the great sixties bands like The Beatles or The Velvet Underground? I dont think there is any question that the human involvement in music is diminshing.

I would say the likes of Kraftwerk or Richard D. James would have the same talent and vision as the artists you've mentioned. Human involvement in music is the same as it's always been. Music cannot magically create itself. Even if a computer is involved it requires creative human input otherwise it doesn't do a thing.

Originally Posted by blastingas10

Any real musician with a sense of rhythm wouldnt have much trouble making some beats with their computers or keyboards. On the other hand, any techo musician wouldnt be able to do what Bach or The Beatles or Louis Armstrong did. I dont see techno music ever making a cultural impact like Dylan or The Beatles made. I personally know some very talented musicians who dabble in Techno music just for fun and they will tell you that playing their instruments is much harder.

Creating music using computer software is not easy, and to create electronic music to rival artists like Boards of Canada or Aphex Twin requires a serious amount of talent and vision. I've been playing around with MIDI sequencers since I was 14 and I can certainly say from my experience that making electronic music is far from easy, it is a very tedious and frustrating process and it still requires some knowledge of music theory. Getting something that sounds any way half-decent requires a lot of effort and a very creative mind. Even after years of trying to create electronic music I still suck at it and have pretty much given up.

"Techno" isn't the correct term for the music you are describing but yes electronic music has already had a cultural impact. Just look at the rave movement of the late 80's/early 90's for example (which in itself is seen as a musical revolution) and the impact of this has lasted right up until this day in various strains of music.

Originally Posted by blastingas10

Alright, it's an instrument. One that doesn't take much talent to use. It's definitely one of the easiest instruments to "play."

Originally Posted by blastingas10

As important as Beethoven? Haha ya right. Maybe to you. It's not that hard to do, that's my point. A computer itself is not an instrument. It's the proper programs or devices that make it one.

Please make up your mind. In my view a computer is an instrument, it requires creative user input and produces sounds as a result of this input. How do you know if it's easy when you've never tried it yourself? Do you really think you could create something to match this? Good luck in trying.