Jedey

I am not a fan of Nirvana but I do respect the fact they revived Rock music at the time it was about being photogenic enough for MTV and Nirvana brought it back to music first over image. They also chased all those synth-pop bands back under the woodwork where they belong.

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boo boo

Yeah, image had it's part in the grunge movement as it has a part in every musical movement.

The problem is when image overshadows the music, I don't think that was the case with grunge, but it was certainly the case with hair metal.

On a related note, I f*cking hate Bon Jovi.

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TheCunningStunt

Yeah! I forgot about him/them. Fuck Bon Jovi.

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Jedey

You can go into just about any bar around here and see more talented bands than Bon Jovi.

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Sneer

Firstly, if by ending the monopoly of over-indulgent, baseless, asinine and frankly irritating bands consisting of grown men wearing tights, leather and stupid hair singing about girls, drugs and partying (if they werent churning out horrible 'ballads' using trite imagery of roses and whatnot) Nirvana destroyed music, then in all honesty I'll happily bow down before them. Yes, they made an alternative rock scene (which, incidently, had been developing since the mid-eighties) into a commodity, and spawned a host of post-grunge bands I'd love to lay out in a haze of bullets - but all I'll say is this:

You Know You're Right or Girls Girls Girls? I know for sure which one I'd rather listen to.

As for Nirvana being talentless, shut up. Cobain was a decent songwriter with an interesting and effective guitar method, whilst the band as a whole were dynamic and fluid. There's a reason why they reached so many people - because they were in fact actually quite good and their music had a message relevant to the youth of the time. The lyrical content may have been bleak at times, but at least it was pertinent to real life; real emotions that people could actually relate to. In contrast, bands like Van Halen sought to conceal their lack of any depth by indulging in ridiculous levels of wankery.

So, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, Mudhoney, Green River, Melvins... I thank you for destroying music.

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Alfred

I never really think of AC/DC, Van Halen or Def Leppard in a positive way so I'm gonna have to disagree with OP.

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Van Halen don't wank at all really.

I don't think flash = wank.

EVH has a flashy guitar style, but his solos have a solid melodic foundation and he never goes on for too long. And all the other members of the band don't really do any showing off and they're not very technical musicians.

Wank has a few definitions for me, one of which is the blatant display of technical abillity without a solid musical foundation.

That's what seperates Van Halen and 70s prog rock from say Michael Angelo Batio and Dream Theater.

I'd also consider doing a really long solo when you don't really know how to play to be wank too, or making really boring 20 minute songs with 1 minute worth of music.

Using that definition, I think some post rock bands do a lot more wanking than Van Halen.

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Sneer

Whenever I listen to Van Halen, which is as little as possible granted, I think 'wankery'. He knows he's a technically good guitarist, and fuck does he let you know about it.

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boo boo

What's wrong with that?

Hendrix did the same thing.

I don't see anything wrong with flaunting your abillities, EVH knows melodic structure well and R&B music is actually one of his biggest influences. So I think it's unfair to put him in the same category as Michael Angelo Batio releasing 60 minute albums of nonstop guitar gymnastics.

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Sneer

And I think Hendrix did a lot of wankery too. The difference is his songs were fucking good. I'm not saying wankery is ALWAYS a bad thing, but in the case of Van Halen it is due to the fact IMO it's all they had.

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