Who Was The First Post-Punk Band?

GravitySlips · 07-21-2010, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny_Rotter

I suppose you could call Television proto post punk, but they weren't really dark enough in my opinion.

you really shouldn't call anything 'proto post punk', as mr dave said. it's absurd.

Anteater · 07-21-2010, 01:15 PM

I dunno guiz, I always thought The Clash were the first post-punk group....

Unknown Soldier · 07-21-2010, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GravitySlips

you really shouldn't call anything 'proto post punk', as mr dave said. it's absurd.

As absurd as it sounds, it is feasible. Think of it as a kind of before and after effect. A band that helped shape a new genre and then helped move it on in a different direction once it had been fully established!!! Avant-garde sounds better than proto-post whatever though.

I`m not sure I would apply post-punk to Television though, as they had different characteristics, such as two guitarists that were superior to your average punk band. The guitar work between Verlaine and Lloyd was pretty intricate and the use of keyboards in the group quite limited compared to what is known as post-punk. I see the first two albums as far more new-wave than punk anyway, and think of Televison far closer to new-wave bands like Talking Heads, Devo and Cars etc than to punk bands like the Sex Pistols, Clash (debatable) Dead Kennedys and Ramones etc.

I certainly think Television could be classed as proto punk for their influence on punk but if we`re talking about proto-punk I tend to think even earlier back to Iggy and the Stooges etc.

bob. · 07-21-2010, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by James

You should definetly get your hands on the demos, shows how influential they were, crazy.

are you talking about Recombo DNA?

~~James~~ · 07-21-2010, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by bob.

are you talking about Recombo DNA?

I'm talking about the Hardcore Devo 74-77 series.

right-track · 07-21-2010, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bogey_j

I think it was throbbing gristle. they recorded the 1st annual report in '75 and pretty much created industrial. Television was also one of those proto-post-punk bands dating back to '73. I know there are some no wave bands that date back to '75 as well but they didnt put out anything until the no new york record.

so who do you think was the first post-punk sounding band?

...and so begins the retrospective re-writing of yet another music genre, according to MusicBanter.

GravitySlips · 07-21-2010, 01:49 PM

A lot of post-punk bands were influenced by Can and Captain Beefheart, I don't see those artists being called proto-post-punk often. Nor should Television. Television didn't help shape what became known as post-punk any more than The Velvet Underground, Stooges, Can, or any of the first-wave punk bands did. They're a proto punk band, no need for any other silly additions.

OctaneHugo · 07-21-2010, 01:57 PM

I think there are two kinds of post-punk.
There's post-punk that's heavier, and that borrows more from traditional punk.
Then there's post-punk that's a bit lighter, and that borrows more from new wave.
I think post-punk is like the bridge over an ocean between two musical continents.

By the way, this absurd theory of mine is less absurd than calling someone proto-post-punk. The fu‎ck is that?

right-track · 07-21-2010, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by OctaneHugo

By the way, this absurd theory of mine is less absurd than calling someone proto-post-punk. The fu‎ck is that?

Punk, obviously.

Unless it's post proto post punk. Which would be?...

Urban Hat€monger ? · 07-21-2010, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by right-track

Punk, obviously.

Unless it's post proto post punk. Which would be?...

... the moment I quit this forum.

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GravitySlips Music Addict Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,578	A lot of post-punk bands were influenced by Can and Captain Beefheart, I don't see those artists being called proto-post-punk often. Nor should Television. Television didn't help shape what became known as post-punk any more than The Velvet Underground, Stooges, Can, or any of the first-wave punk bands did. They're a proto punk band, no need for any other silly additions.