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Old 12-19-2010, 05:56 AM   #71 (permalink)
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there's nothing wrong with that. But you don't need guitars to be 'musically' creative'.

To Dayvan's post - that's all very nice but I think he was refering to more straight up hip hop, of which plenty of musical innovation can be found.





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Old 12-19-2010, 06:03 AM   #72 (permalink)
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I only posted about that kind of hip-hop because I doubt that he's heard of it if he's criticizing the entire genre (including all permutations and sub-genres of it)

And that Trip-Hop is one of the genres that I know an awful lot about.
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Old 12-19-2010, 04:34 PM   #73 (permalink)
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I meant that most hip-hop is a crime against music, for the afore-mentioned reasons.
All we have is our opinions. Don't get fussy just because our opinions differ. What more explanation do you require?
Nobody cares about you having an opinion, everyone has opinions. But this isn't a case of you simply stating that you dislike hip hop. You brand an entire genre as a Crime Against Music and insinuate that it is less intelligent than other musical genres. That's stupid and it shows no respect others hard work. So don't bitch and moan about it just being "your opinion".
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Old 12-21-2010, 03:59 AM   #74 (permalink)
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I think auto tune is a crime. It should be hanged, drawn and quartered as my mother would say.
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Old 12-21-2010, 05:05 AM   #75 (permalink)
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I think auto tune is a crime. It should be hanged, drawn and quartered as my mother would say.
Personally, I don't have a strong opinion on Autotune either way... yet. I think it's something being mostly fiercely attacked by a lot of artists who use just as cheap tricks(excessive sampling at live shows, very obviously studio enhanced material, flat unchanging drum machine to maintain rhythm throughout a song) to sort of give off the illusion that they're somehow more legit than artists who do the same.

It doesn't, however, mean it's a bad piece of technology. Just invented by bad people, and used for the wrong reasons.

I'd say give it time. Autotune used in it's inherit form obviously is pretty damn lame. Then again, I consider it a lot like drum machines in the 70s. When they were first introduced, more conservative musicians were lambasting them as a lazy excuse to not implement a performers skill, and for the fact it watered down the sound of most compositions. Which, of course, is the two things that autotune is heavily criticized for. These critics got a rise out of the general smug feeling they were just generally superior for not utilizing such tricks.

This is what created from the largely flat, uninteresting, mainstream disco era. Which some may argue had it's gems, but remains generally unpopular for the fact it felt more machine produced than music before. However, through the late 70s, and 80s mostly underground music learned how to obscure, and abstract the potential of the drum machine. Instead of using it to simply create a generic metronome beat to sing over, they chose to find ways to either

A) Extract it's potential to create music in which was impossible by human means. Often using drum machines as ambient/melodic instruments due to their distinction from regular drums. Often utilizing the fakeness of drum machine to their advantage.

B) Allowed access to musicians who were too experimental, or radical to accumulate drummers/drums(they're clunky, need space, and are expensive to learn). This made it more plausible, and economical for musicians to compose their own music entirely. Which allowed a flush of self produced output.

I wouldn't dismay autotune quite yet. Wait until at least it's given time for people to get their hands on it, and fully explore it. I mean, I think it's an amazing piece of technology to take something as wide, and vastly individualistic, as human voice, and drastically shift it's pitch conforming it to a certain key. A technology used for a purpose more two dimensional than just covering the inadequacies of singers to hit certain keys(and if you ask me, perfect pitch-based harmony is not honestly not required to making good music in this day, and age. With the way music is written, unless singing a notationally charted operatic melody, I don't know why it's even necessary at all.) could have a massive potential to create new, and interesting textures in music if applied creatively.

I think the biggest problem is, people don't think of it that way. Most listeners are wayyy to singer-centric. The way autotune is used is largely the listeners fault for demanding the centralized "American Idol"-like supersinger. Every single other aspect can be machine produced, but if the singing is off key, then it's bad music. If we start taking in consideration not only the power of one's voice, and the emotional weight OVER it's technical accuracy(something non-trained ears can't really detect anyway), and place more importance in the strength of the instrumental rhythm/melody written by them, and their relationship with voice then I think autotune will seem like much less the monster it's made out to be.

Anyway, as for crimes, There is only two words that can describe the king of crimes against music: Pat Boone...








Funny(and I'm pretty sure his metal covers are supposed to be), but still crimes.

Or, Will Shatner...

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Vocaloids are a crime against music.

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Old 12-21-2010, 12:15 PM   #77 (permalink)
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there's nothing wrong with that. But you don't need guitars to be 'musically' creative'.

To Dayvan's post - that's all very nice but I think he was refering to more straight up hip hop, of which plenty of musical innovation can be found.





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Old 12-21-2010, 08:26 PM   #79 (permalink)
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Crimes against music... Well, I'll say any mediocre or below mediocre pop artist who has much too much fame/ money (you know who), and of course the radio - America's deadliest serial killer (of music).
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Crimes against music... Well, I'll say any mediocre or below mediocre pop artist who has much too much fame/ money (you know who), and of course the radio - America's deadliest serial killer (of music).
The radio is a crime against music?
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