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Old 03-17-2011, 12:23 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Well he makes a point from an artistic stand-point... Jobs makes a point from a business perspective.. You can argue both sides of the coin pretty convincingly, but the reality is that MP3's are more accessible now, and make sense from a distribution perspective.. I wouldn't put all the blame on Steve, it was bound to happen with the digital world we're in... Again, this can be argued from both sides easily.
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Old 03-17-2011, 01:14 AM   #32 (permalink)
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FACT: Steve Jobs did not kill the music industry with iTunes.

If anything, Jon should be thanking him for iTunes. It gives people instant access to MILLIONS of songs (Including Jovi's own tunes) at the touch of a button. You get a 90 second preview of whatever songs you want, and then you can pick-and-choose, or just download the entire album.

Why would Bon Jovi yearn for the days of buying an album (old people call them 'records') with only ONE good song and simply hoping and praying that the rest of the album is good? Nine times out of ten, an album will have 1 hit, 2 fizzles, and the rest are turds.

Bon Jovi is mad that people are now able to just buy his hit singles and don't have to waste their time listening to an extra 40 minutes of poop.

Hey JBJ. If you hate Steve Jobs so much, have him take all of your albums off of iTunes.

*Bon Jovi should have been more pissed off at LimeWire and Napster than iTunes.
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Old 03-17-2011, 01:21 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Steve Jobs didn't kill the music industry with iTunes but I understand the point that he was trying to make

plus fuck Steve Jobs....hate that motherfucker
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Old 03-17-2011, 05:59 AM   #34 (permalink)
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There's also the fact that this may well be a couple of sentences pulled out of context. I sincerely doubt he went through the effort of finding a journalist just to tell them that. Chances are someone asked him what he thought of iTunes, and he gave his honest opinion.
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Old 03-17-2011, 06:27 AM   #35 (permalink)
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My question was a yes or no one really.
He deserves every bit of it honestly.
He is a piece of **** who has never made one good song in his career. He was apart of that ****ty hair metal scene and luckily that was killed off.
Bands make money on tours and merch sales not album sales. He is just a dinosaur. Just like the industry that is being destoryed which is a great thing. Just because the industry is having a hard time does not mean there will not be music.
I feel I have to comment on this as well: So, after this ridiculously opinionated comment of yours in which you slash an entire, quite popular genre and refuse to admit that Bon Jovi might have written something half decent in his entire musical career (you don't think it might just not be your taste?), don't you think Bon Jovi's entitled to his opinion as well? You might not agree with it, but what he said is going to strike true with a lot of people out there.

Firstly, he said two different things, only slightly, but it's important. The first is that he didn't say Steve Jobs Killed music, he said that he felt Steve Jobs had killed the music business, which you can argue quite well. There's a fairly large different between the two, and you might consider music business as Bon Jovi considers it to be obsolete, but it doesn't make him any less right.

He Then goes on to say why this saddens him, and yes, Oojay, he does mention the unknown aspect of an album, and I agree with him. If completely kills some of the aspects of getting a new album and listening to it for the first time if you have had a 90 second preview of all the tracks beforehand. I don't think it's feasibly possible to argue that it doesn't take away from the mystery.

If I was going through the effort to release albums with songs that I felt were all worthwhile and fitted together as an album (just bear with me, rather than reading this far and going on a JBJ rant), I'd be pretty pissed that people were just going and buying the hit singles. It encourages the Pop-orientated release a flashy single and then another until you have enough to make a greatest hits approach. I like albums, I know the vast majority of people here do as well. And I know that every one of you knows an album you love thish has some pretty bad songs on it, but you love it anyway because the album is great. Would you get rid of those songs, if you could? I know I wouldn't, because it would change the album, it wouldn't be the same thing, even if all you were doing was removing the weaker songs.

In conclusion: RVCA - Do you really think it's fair to call someone a whiny old fogey for just answering a question someone put to you? If he had gone out of his way to make this statement, then I'd agree with you, but he obviously hasn't.

Buzz*ven - If you're going to make ridiculously opinionated statements, try allowing other people to have their own opinions as well.

Oojay - The iTunes "buy the hut singles" approach kills albums, I've started seeing among my own friends, and I don't like it.

As a final note, yes, you could argue that Steve Jobs is just one person responsible for the expansion of the online music industry, and that greedy publishing companies are as responsible for it as anyone else, but have you ever looked at exactly how much artists actually get from iTunes transactions? How much do they get, when you buy their hit single for 99c?

That's right, a whopping 10c.
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Old 03-17-2011, 07:28 PM   #36 (permalink)
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If the entire album is good, people will buy it, regardless. The whole "mystery" of hearing the new tracks on a new album isn't lost at all by using iTunes. You can STILL buy the whole album and listen to them all if you choose to do so. But with iTunes, you get the OPTION to preview and pick-and-choose your tracks. It's not like Steve Jobs forces you to buy only the hit songs, it justs gives the listener/purchaser more options. And if you wanted to, you could still stroll down to your local record store, pay twice as much, and go home with your fingers crossed that your grab-bag of unheard songs will be to your liking (with no recourse if they are not). It's all about options.

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Old 03-17-2011, 07:44 PM   #37 (permalink)
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First of all, not all hair metal is shit. Second, Bon Jovi is a particularly bad example of AOR, not hair metal. If you are going to bother bashing an artist, get thine fucking genres straight.

Third, it's not so much that the album experience has gone away due to digital media, ITunes, etc., but rather that its a format which has become continually marginalized in the Top 40 world over the last twenty years or so. People can pick and choose particular songs they want more conveniently than ever before, and that's just how things go.

People who love listening to music as album-oriented artists intended will always exist, passing on that love to future generations. People like that may never be a majority in society, but they'll never completely disappear as long as there are those who are willing to pass on the torch.
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First of all, not all hair metal is shit. Second, Bon Jovi is a particularly bad example of AOR, not hair metal. If you are going to bother bashing an artist, get thine fucking genres straight.
I don't see anything particularly "album oriented" about Bon Jovi so I see no reason anyone would call them AOR. Not to mention the fact that AOR isn't a genre anyway, it's a radio format.
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Old 03-18-2011, 03:42 PM   #39 (permalink)
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He has a point of course, but there are so many other targets you could attach such an argument to so it really doesn't hold much weight.
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Old 03-19-2011, 12:49 PM   #40 (permalink)
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Article about who really killed the music industry. http://www.nme.com/blog/index.php?bl...ndu&more=1&c=1
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