Amy Winehouse pronounced dead
 

Amy Winehouse dies aged 27 - Telegraph

She probably should've gone to rehab.

Holy crap, that was totally expected but sooner than I thought. Interesting.

Should have gone to rehab. I LOLed.

It was just 2 weeks ago I was making fun of her for getting booed off stage for being a drunk drugged up failure of a singer and now this. Shame. Waste of potential.

And no one guessed her for http://www.musicbanter.com/games-lis...h-bingo-7.html :(

I don't care, she brought it on herself with all the drug and alcohol abuse. The real travesty is the 92 people in Norway that have been shot by some nutcase. Not saying she didn't have any musical talent though, that will be a loss.

Joining the 27 Club was the best career move she ever made.

Why the Norway reference?
How can you even compare?
Why even bother?
Tasteless remark!

Did it ever cross your mind that the self abuse could have been due to a life of personal and profound unhappiness?
Or do you just think she was having a laugh?
There by the grace of God...:usehead:

I've been pronouncing dead since I was like 6.

It shows.

hahaha. I was going to make the same comment.

Got in a huge debate about this whole Amy Winehouse thing today. I feel for her as a human, sad when the bad times gets to people and ends so young and suddenly when help is available. But beyond that I am not going to call it a tragedy or anything.. Lennon = tragedy, Dimebag Darrell = tragedy, Jeff Buckley = tragedy... Winehouse = casualty.

I offer a RIP as a human being who feels for people who die from drugs, as somebody who has come close myself.. but I do so for her as a human, not a famous one, just a regular one.

Self destruction is a terrible way to go out. People are out there to help you, but it takes some motivation on the addicted's part. It's unfortunate she died, but it happens daily.

Agreed.

Oh, and welcome to the 27 Club Amy.

I'll have respect for her family and send my thoughts to them, but in my opinion, anybody on a path to destruction like she was on gets no sympathy from me. It isn't sad that she died, it's sad that a voice talent like hers was wasted on irresponsibility and poor choices.

Oh, and saying she's part of the Forever 27 club is like throwing a turd into a buffet of cheeseburgers, french toast, burritos, oreos and milk, and bacon sandwiches.

every club needs the pity member ya know.

Double click.



^ This is what we lost.
Never mind what you thought you knew about her as a person. Here she is as an artist. That's all that concerns me.
I'll leave the crass comments to others.

If you can't hear it, you'll never feel it.

Ok... that last comment probably was harsh.

I think you are wrong though. She was a great talent.. she had a wonderful voice, very good singer. It is just her public image was tainted by her actions and choices.. she was a freak show, it is case of everybody loves a car crash, but nobody wants to be in one. She was the car crash we watched... we saw her self destruct in front of us and did nothing... love a circus.

She had the talent and means to go far, just a shame her demons got the worst of her ya know.

not really. People die every day.

As opposed to which years?

Unfortunate, I was planning on purchasing her album next month as well.. I only just discovered her music

That's terrible. RIP.

I have sympathy for Amy Winehouse, because from what I understand of addictions, those who are addicted can't just easily choose to stop (that's why it is called an addiction) since the substances affect their brain such that the ability to stop on their own becomes incredibly difficult.

When you are extremely hungry, can you stop yourself from feeling hunger? When you are very tired, can you "will" yourself out of exhaustion? I've felt very hungry before, and the urge to eat can become all-consuming, the single thought on my mind.

The best I can tell, an addiction results in similar neurological changes, and you are powerless to change the direction of your thoughts while under the influence. Blaming someone who dies of a drug overdose (if that *is* how she died) is like blaming someone for falling asleep when she is exhausted.

If someone is able to find the motivation to break an addiction, perhaps that person just isn't as physiologically addicted as another?

As motivated as I am to stay awake and alert when I am sleepy, I can't fight my brain's neurochemistry. I think that "a brain on drugs" can't fight the neurochemistry of addiction either. It isn't just a simple matter of having or lacking motivation.

She does seem to sing songs in the style you'd like, Right-track....very soulish.

Is it possible to have self-control while under the influence of drugs? Don't they by definition shift the brain's priorities and the ability to control one's desires? I guess I just don't think of addiction as being due to a problem of self-control; lack of self-control results from addiction. The question I have is what factors influenced Amy's decision to start?

I just listened to her song "Rehab," which someone mentioned earlier in the thread. The song is interesting and reminds me of how so many addicted people's stories are the same...resisting rehab, for example, and not feeling that they need it or gain anything from it.

The song reminds me to have humility: if I were addicted to some drug, I see no reason to believe that my brain/mind would react any differently than any other addicted person's. And if I *did* manage to break an addiction, it wouldn't be something to use to put down people who haven't found a way yet, or never do.

Amy Winehouse - "Rehab"
The saddest line in the song, I feel, is this one: "I don't ever wanna drink again." Imagine how it would feel, to want to stop oneself from doing something, and to fail at it again and again? I have only sympathy for someone who is walking that path, especially if it leads to her death.

It's funny. We can talk about how this she could have gone on to greatness if she was clean. But the Amy Winehouse catalog we know today is directly related to her substance abuse. I doubt a clean, sober Amy releases "Rehab", her biggest song that broke her and made her a star.

Maybe it's because I'm a butterfly effect/snowball theory kind of person, but she would not have been nearly the same artist without the issues.

It's not like Robert Johnson, Mojo, Jimi, Janis, Brian Jones and Kurt are the only musicians to die at the age of 27. You don't have to be an all time great to die at that age. It's just a weird trend among musicians.

27 Club - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

27 Club - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Shes been added.. but wow.. I cant believe this 27 thing.. scary as hell

2006 was a pretty death free year. :rolleyes:

Amy would never have been the same musician without her issues like how Pink Floyd would not have been great if Waters and Gilmour didn't begin to fall out etc a lot of great music is borne out of unpleasant lives and experiences.

From personal experience, I'd say yes. I think there is an element of self control.
I have an elder sister who has, what you might call, an addictive personality.
A recovering alcoholic and an addiction to drugs has seen her hit rock bottom on several occasions. Only last year she was given a 5 to 1 against chance of survival following her latest episode.
How is she now?
She's doing very well. For now.

If Winehouse was anything like my sister, then the influencing factors as to why they start in the first place could be down to depression.
It's no coincidence that my sisters state of mind governed how well she coped with her addictions at any given time.
Without some self control, both of them would have been dead years ago.

Pink Floyd were great without, with, and without Waters. Irrelevant comparison.

As for Amy, eh. Her music never appealed to me. Sad that she died but as others have said, entirely expected.

Someone earlier made mention of drugs being "by definition" something that changes your priorities. I'd like to quote Zappa here. "A drug is not evil, a drug is a chemical compound. The problem starts when people treat that chemical compound as an excuse to act like an *******."

I personally agree with Zappa. I've seen both sides of the coin here too. I've never once found that I can't control myself while drunk or on a substance, certainly not to a degree that has me make decisions entirely against my personality. I've also never found that a substance, even if its been the best time in the world, has been something good enough for me to actively seek out a repeat of the experience. That may just be my personality. I've been told a lot that I have good self control and strong will.

On the flipside, I've had friends with drink and drug problems, one friend in particular has had both. He has a very addictive personality and becomes very into things. And yet despite this he has now twice developed an excessive, damaging mental reliance on substances or alcohol, and yet both times he has been perfectly capable of going cold turkey on them. The alcohol experience was the more serious. He asked me to make sure I told him if he was going off the rails. I said that I was telling him (And I meant it. he was drinking to excess almost every time I spoke to him in the months beforehand). He didn't drink for six months. cold turkey, no planning.

I don't think there's a catchall, some people have terrible self control, but those people in my experience are usually crazy sober, they just stop trying to hide it when they're drunk. people who have substance problems but who are fine when sober, in my experience have always been capable of stopping themselves, usually without a great deal of help. I'm most certainly not saying situations don't exist where a persons self control is compromised by a drug, by all accounts cocaines effects include a voracious appetite for more cocaine, as a primary effect, but by and large I've found that most drugs people tend to take are not so insidious as to remove your abilities to make rational decisions, at least, certainly not until the point of being blasted out of your mind, and even then, the effect is not a total loss of control, its a weakening of it.

Its sad but everyone knew it was going to happen.
She could sing though.

I'm extremely sad to hear of this, and I'm more sad to see what many of the members of this site are writing about the poor woman.

You don't get what it's like to try to stop, know you should stop, and still not be able to stop.

Amazing talent, tragic story. I'm leaving this thread now, and that it is all. R.I.P. Amy.

I am more surprised by the plethora of celebrities claiming to be 'deeply shocked' by her passing as if it was completely unexpected and she lived a clean life.

A waste of talent for sure and even in today's world of endless psychiatrists and big money record labels it just goes to show that the money men weren't truly looking after their artist and giving the support that she needed.

Expect a posthumous release from the record company that they will gleefully promote with 100 times the gusto they gave to her in personal life.

I hate to bring it up but it still saddens and actually angers me that someone who made just 2 albums (no matter how well they were liked) will receive pages and pages of threads and newspaper columns whilst an artist like John Martyn who himself was no stranger to addictions got barely a few columns worth of notice despite having a career of over 30 years.

That's the nature of show business though I guess.

Those who walked through the pearly gates in 2006:

Buck Owens
Syd Barrett
Lou Rawls
Wilson Pickett
Gene Pitney
June Pointer (one of the Pointer Sisters)
Billy Preston (tickled the ivory keys both for The Beatles and the Rolling Stones)
James Brown (the "Godfather of Soul")
Akira Ifukube (composer - wrote music for Godzilla)

Peter Boyle
Jack Palance
Don Knotts
Dennis Weaver
Darren McGavin
Robert Sterling
Mike Douglas
Glenn Ford
Steve Irwin ("The Crocodile Hunter")

Peter Benchley (writer of Jaws)
Mickey Spillane (writer)
Tim Hildebrandt (artist)
Joseph Barbera (the creator of Boo Boo, who btw was subsequently banned from these premises)

Coretta Scott King (MLK Jr's wife)
Dana Reeve (Christopher Reeve's wife)
Chris Penn (Sean Penn's younger brother)
Aaron Spelling (Tori Spelling's father)

Gerald R. Ford - the 38th U.S. President.

source: http://dpsinfo.com/dps/2006.html

Elizabeth "Lizzie" Bolden (from wiki: née Jones; August 15, 1890 – December 11, 2006) was an American super-centenarian woman who, at the time of her death at [the] age [of] 116.

I was just agreeing with Janszoon. I through out a random year. That's why I rolled the eyes.

I was never a fan of hers but must admit she was pretty decent at what she did. I was saddened to hear of her passing. What a shame she was so young. My prayers and thoughts go to her friends and family.

I'm a fan of Winehouse and so was sad to hear the news. To me, the sadness is not simply of the passing of a great artist but of such a massive talent wasted. That and the demise of a such a young girl with a family. What angers me is the outpouring of bull**** over forms of social media. To the people who have the "another smackhead off the streets" point of view, God forbid any of your children ever develop similar issues. And whats annoying me even more is those comparing this to the events in Norway. If you expect people, and the media, to stop reporting newer stories then you're a moron. Norway has, and is, still on the news all day, every day. The world keeps turning. Open your eyes.

The comparison is there because the world seem to be mourning more over Amy Winehouse dying than 92 innocent people being shot in Norway by some deranged nutcase. Just pick up a tabloid newspaper in the UK and see what the main headline is, it's not the Norway story.

I know some people that have said they don't care what happens outside England. How racist is that? We live in a sad world. There are a lot of statuses on my friends Facebook about her and I can tell you a lot of them don't care she's gone.

She brought it on herself with the drugs and when offered the chance to have rehab she refused or was just simply not committed to it. Her past life is no excuse for taking drugs, it is not the answer to solving her problems clearly and you know what, Winehouse could have easily been having a laugh!

Who cares if she died, really. I feel sorry for her family and not for her. She brought this upon herself with the incessant drug and alcohol use. It really is her fault, after all she's the one who had multiple chances in rehab and she wasted them all.

Edit: I should also add that her incredible voice was wasted in the worst possible way. Also I hate how people are saying "oh all the good musicians died at 27". So that means that just the crap ones are left? It's just a coincidence.

Rest in peace threads just wouldn't feel right if there wasn't someone to compare the death to a totally unrelated incident in the same timeframe and at least a handful of people stopping by to chime in about how little they feel sorry for the deceased.

You died in a car wreck, huh?


I don't feel bad, shoulda worn your seatbelt!!

First of all, it simply isn't true that most of the world is mourning more over the death of Winehouse, than the loss of all those young people in Norway.
Just reading this thread and a modicum of common sense should tell you that much.

Secondly, the tabloid newspapers do not reflect what most people in Britain actually think. To believe that as true is plainly idiotic.
I don't believe you believe that either, which makes me wonder why you even pointed it out in the first place.

Thirdly, you say you know some people who claim not to care about what happens outside of England.
Well I don't know where you come from, but it isn't the case where I live.
I can only think you have some pretty shallow friends, friend.

Fourthly, are you fucking serious?

Your comparison in your previous post showed an incredible lack of respect for the Norwegian tragedy and the death of a troubled human being.
To play one off against the other was, to put it frankly, obnoxious.

We have two threads. This one and the Norway thread.
If you want to express your sympathy for Norway, then post in that one without speaking ill of the dead and being judgemental in this one!

I feel about her the same way I did for layne staley. I can't mourn now because I did it years ago. To me, when people bring it up now I feel like maybe they just heard. Like "Oh I didn't know she died."

Theres no emotion there becuase there was no other end. She hangs around with a smack junkie (or did), and we've seen the tell-tale signs for years. I think I knew she was dead on the heels of her big album there (the only one I purchased) with "Rehab" and "Back to Black."