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Thom Yorke 10-13-2011 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DoctorSoft (Post 1110955)
The only stuff I hate is Blues, Blues Rock, or anything tagged as Bluesy. That stuff bores me out of my skull.

Try Radio Moscow. Not your traditional Blues rock. Brain Cycles is a fantastic album.

Thom Yorke 10-13-2011 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 1110951)
Okay, thankls folks, this is loads, and I think I'll be busy for a long time with these. I'll be back to give my thoughts, and if I need more suggestions, I'll ask. :)

I counted up 30 recommendations of artists/albums for you. I expect that report up by the end of the night.

Mondo Bungle 10-13-2011 04:29 PM

Yep, definitley liking Aesop Rock.

As for noise, I still see absolutely no concievable reason why anyone would go out of their way to listen to it. I'm sure there's something I'm not getting, but that's fine with me.

Janszoon 10-13-2011 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mondo Bungle (Post 1110994)
As for noise, I still see absolutely no concievable reason why anyone would go out of their way to listen to it. I'm sure there's something I'm not getting, but that's fine with me.

When you say "noise" are you talking about Merzbow-type noise?

Mondo Bungle 10-13-2011 05:27 PM

Yes. I adore noise rock/punk/pop, but just noise? C'mon man.

Howard the Duck 10-13-2011 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce (Post 1110747)
i have to really look deep

i suppose whatever genre Fela Kuti's Confusion/Gentleman falls into

Afro-psyche?

give me something that doesn't sound like a total mess

i surmise nobody else listens to Afro-psyche?

Wyrd 10-13-2011 09:47 PM

Deathcore and Metalcore. I have yet to be rec'd an album or band in these genres that I find listenable.

Mondo Bungle 10-13-2011 10:01 PM

That's because they basically suck. Besides old school metalcore like Converge and Integrity and stuff.

Check out See You Next Tuesday - Parasite. It's deathcore, but to me it sounds like grind with breakdowns. Rings of Saturn are ok too imo.
Lots of old metalcore is awesome, too.

Alfred 10-13-2011 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyrd (Post 1111059)
Deathcore and Metalcore. I have yet to be rec'd an album or band in these genres that I find listenable.

Do you normally listen to heavy music? If you can't take screaming or heavy riffs then it'd be hard to recommend something you'd like.

If you can tolerate it, my suggestion would be to start with something more on the hardcore side of metalcore, like Converge's "Jane Doe", or Trap Them's "Darker Handcraft" (moreso crust/grind but close enough). Genghis Tron are another band worth looking out for too, they incorporate a lot of electronic music elements and have some great melodic moments mixed in with their spazzy metal sound.

Janszoon 10-13-2011 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mondo Bungle (Post 1111000)
Yes. I adore noise rock/punk/pop, but just noise? C'mon man.

I think, like anything, it can be done well or not done well. And I guess a lot of it depends on how you define it. For example, is this something you'd consider noise?


Wyrd 10-13-2011 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Alfred (Post 1111063)
Do you normally listen to heavy music? If you can't take screaming or heavy riffs then it'd be hard to recommend something you'd like.

If you can tolerate it, my suggestion would be to start with something more on the hardcore side of metalcore, like Converge's "Jane Doe", or Trap Them's "Darker Handcraft" (moreso crust/grind but close enough). Genghis Tron are another band worth looking out for too, they incorporate a lot of electronic music elements and have some great melodic moments mixed in with their spazzy metal sound.

Dude.....that's all I listen to. But Deathcore ****ing sucks. And Trap Them is nowhere near metal/deathcore. They ARE grind/crust. And I am not really a fan of Genghis. Converge is okay I suppose.

But stuff like Suicide Silence, Attila, A Day to Remember, WhiteChapel, Emmure, etc. God that stuff is boring and it lacks any originality.

Mondo Bungle 10-13-2011 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1111064)
I think, like anything, it can be done well or not done well. And I guess a lot of it depends on how you define it. For example, is this something you'd consider noise?


Yeah, but it's better than all that ZHHHHHHHHCCCCHHhhhcZzZChmmmmmmmOOWWzZxxxXXXXhcCCZH harsh noise stuff.

Paedantic Basterd 10-13-2011 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Thom Yorke (Post 1110984)
I counted up 30 recommendations of artists/albums for you. I expect that report up by the end of the night.

Try the end of next year. :laughing:

Laser 10-13-2011 11:06 PM

I dont like jazz and good luck converting me for that, lol! i didnt like country either but i heard a song by 3 Doors Down that i kinda liked.

eraser.time206 10-13-2011 11:37 PM

Metalcore
 
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Originally Posted by Wyrd (Post 1111059)
Deathcore and Metalcore. I have yet to be rec'd an album or band in these genres that I find listenable.

You should check out the song "My Love, My Love (We've Come Back From The Dead" by Zao. I'm not a fan of Metalcore but that song is very interesting.

Tsunami 10-14-2011 05:33 AM

Metalcore and deathcore, sure I could probably find something from there I enjoy, but I generally don't find it worth of my time since there's (sub)genres I enjoy far more than it, so it doesn't deserve exploration in my eyes.

Wyrd 10-14-2011 08:50 AM

Been rec'd Zao and I hated them.

bob. 10-14-2011 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Mondo Bungle (Post 1111072)
Yeah, but it's better than all that ZHHHHHHHHCCCCHHhhhcZzZChmmmmmmmOOWWzZxxxXXXXhcCCZH harsh noise stuff.


Jeck is more like beautiful art

i listen to noise....as in "power electronics"....bands like Whitehouse, Sutcliffe Jungend, Brighter Death Now etc etc. (and Merzbow)

for me it's simply the audible concept of transgressive ideals...esp. with Whitehouse (who i suppose are like the Beatles of the genre)....i mean you can sit and listen to Quality Time or Birdseed while reading Bataille's "Erotism: Death and Sensuality"....and see practical exact comparisons between the two.....

i think another great quote obout why there are those of us who actually enjoy this type of music is actually from Roger Karmanik (who owns a predominant noise label "Cold Meat Industry" and is the sole member of Brighter death Now)

"music for people who like hearing the revolving sound of another persons nightmares"



i think that is a perfect description

i will say this....out of all the types of music that i listen to....this is the only type i in no way shape of form attempt to push on people....this will never be popular......with this it is simply you get it and like it.....or it is nothing but noise.....which it is

Surell 10-14-2011 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by RVCA (Post 1110646)
I've yet to find anything in Post Punk that isn't yawn inducing.

Have tried:
Joy Division
New Order
The Chameleons
The Cure
Television
Wire
some others

Admittedly, I dig "Marquee Moon", but it hardly seems like post punk to me

Does Meat Puppets count as Post Punk? They're different punk after the major Punk movement, probably a little more on the hardcoreish side with country mixed in. I love Meat Puppets II if you wanna check that out.

TockTockTock 10-14-2011 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Surell (Post 1111174)
I love Meat Puppets II if you wanna check that out.

Fantastic album, but I always thought it leaned more towards alternative rock.


For Mr. Mondo Bungle:

Here's a song from my favorite noise artist/band. It has vocals (which might help), and it's from the late 70s/early 80s.



Oh... and this... (noise music from 1913). :)




Also... Janszoon (or bob.), what Philip Jeck album would you recommend?

Alfred 10-14-2011 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyrd (Post 1111065)
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Have you tried The Chariot?


TheNiceGuy 10-15-2011 01:57 AM

I've never been to fond of metal. I like the fathers of the genre like Led Zep and Deep Purple, and I don't mind bands like say Rush who incorporate metal elements into a different oriented sound.

Any suggestions?

Alfred 10-15-2011 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by TheNiceGuy (Post 1111320)
I've never been to fond of metal. I like the fathers of the genre like Led Zep and Deep Purple, and I don't mind bands like say Rush who incorporate metal elements into a different oriented sound.

Any suggestions?

Baroness are a modern band that I think are just wonderful. Their sound isn't too heavy by modern metal standards and they have awesome, melodic guitar playing.


Blarobbarg 10-15-2011 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by TheNiceGuy (Post 1111320)
I've never been to fond of metal. I like the fathers of the genre like Led Zep and Deep Purple, and I don't mind bands like say Rush who incorporate metal elements into a different oriented sound.

Any suggestions?

As Alfred said, Baroness rock. I also suggest Torche. They're heavy, but also extremely fun and poppy. I really love 'em.


bob. 10-15-2011 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Pat (Post 1111249)
Also... Janszoon (or bob.), what Philip Jeck album would you recommend?


"Sand"....also in 2007 he got together with Gavin Bryars and Alter Ego to record a live version of Bryars's infamous "Sinking Of The Titanic".....get that recording....it is beyond chilling

swag 10-16-2011 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TheNiceGuy (Post 1111320)
I've never been to fond of metal. I like the fathers of the genre like Led Zep and Deep Purple, and I don't mind bands like say Rush who incorporate metal elements into a different oriented sound.

Any suggestions?

Type O Negative - Slow, deep and hard
Kyuss - blues for the red sun
Emperor - Anthems to the welkin at dusk
Kamelot - The fourth legacy
Electric wizard - come my fanatics

Never liked the generic lo-fi "indie rock" thing.

Zer0 10-16-2011 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by swag (Post 1111608)
Never liked the generic lo-fi "indie rock" thing.



If you don't like this then you'll probably never like lo-fi indie.

jackhammer 10-16-2011 05:01 PM

I fucking hate 99% of Twee Pop with a passion. The other 1%? Well I may have an album in my collection that has elements but cannot remember it so convince me.

NO

Belle and Sebastian PLEASE!

I do like a fair bit of C86 but I consider the sound not so annoying and a little more sparky and fun than most of the middle class student chinging away on acoustic guitars, living in a dreamworld type of sound that I hear in Twee Pop ( I feel a little sick rising up even saying it).

Janszoon 10-16-2011 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 1111620)
I fucking hate 99% of Twee Pop with a passion. The other 1%? Well I may have an album in my collection that has elements but cannot remember it so convince me.

NO

Belle and Sebastian PLEASE!

I do like a fair bit of C86 but I consider the sound not so annoying and a little more sparky and fun than most of the middle class student chinging away on acoustic guitars, living in a dreamworld type of sound that I hear in Twee Pop ( I feel a little sick rising up even saying it).

Ah, yes, I feel exactly the same way. Twee generally makes me want to break things.

SATCHMO 10-16-2011 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TheNiceGuy (Post 1111320)
I've never been to fond of metal. I like the fathers of the genre like Led Zep and Deep Purple, and I don't mind bands like say Rush who incorporate metal elements into a different oriented sound.

Any suggestions?

Since you've pretty much confessed to liking Geddy Lee's voice-- I do too, but many can't tolerate his singing-- you should check out Coheed and Cambria, who are also quite poppy and have similar, albeit poppier vocals than Rush.


Zer0 10-17-2011 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 1111620)
I fucking hate 99% of Twee Pop with a passion. The other 1%? Well I may have an album in my collection that has elements but cannot remember it so convince me.

NO

Belle and Sebastian PLEASE!

I do like a fair bit of C86 but I consider the sound not so annoying and a little more sparky and fun than most of the middle class student chinging away on acoustic guitars, living in a dreamworld type of sound that I hear in Twee Pop ( I feel a little sick rising up even saying it).

That's not exactly what I would associate with twee pop. Early "twee" (or indie pop to do it more justice) is closely related to C86 albeit more a bit more melodic and a lot of it is electric guitar-based or even has electronic elements.

Here's a small selection of songs for you guys. Tell me which one you hate the least and why.




TockTockTock 10-17-2011 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Zer0 (Post 1111615)


If you don't like this then you'll probably never like lo-fi indie.

Agreed... it's a fantastic album.

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Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 1111620)
I fucking hate 99% of Twee Pop with a passion. The other 1%? Well I may have an album in my collection that has elements but cannot remember it so convince me.

NO

Belle and Sebastian PLEASE!

I do like a fair bit of C86 but I consider the sound not so annoying and a little more sparky and fun than most of the middle class student chinging away on acoustic guitars, living in a dreamworld type of sound that I hear in Twee Pop ( I feel a little sick rising up even saying it).

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1111627)
Ah, yes, I feel exactly the same way. Twee generally makes me want to break things.

I'm not a huge fan of the genre either, but I found Weekend's La Variete (1982) to be rather enjoyable. Its sound draws from multiple influences... including jazz and world music.



EDIT: Oh, and I second Zero's recommendation for Field Mice. They're a great band. :)

Argento 10-17-2011 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DoctorSoft (Post 1110955)
The only stuff I hate is Blues, Blues Rock, or anything tagged as Bluesy. That stuff bores me out of my skull.

What about those classics?






Argento 10-17-2011 07:11 PM

It seems like I can't stand Rap .

It's awful because I can't enjoy one of the most abundant genres of music.

I can't understand a word of spoken English (I speak Spanish, and can read/write some babbled English).

To me, Rap is a single song. They change the lyrics, and call it a new song.

Actually, there are 5 songs which I would classify somewhat as rap, and I like, but 4 of them are in Spanish, and are just peripherally related to rap. The one on English, I heard it just once, on radio, and never knew his title, but I remember the phrase "you can believe me now". I looked for it on Internet, and never found it.

Paedantic Basterd 10-17-2011 07:14 PM

There has to be Spanish hip hop out there somewhere?

I can see how you would be deterred though, seeing as the basis for quality in a rap artist is all in the lyrics and delivery of them.

Argento 10-17-2011 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 1111903)
There has to be Spanish hip hop out there somewhere?

Yes. It's a copy of USA.

I don't recommend it.
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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 1111903)
I can see how you would be deterred though, seeing as the basis for quality in a rap artist is all in the lyrics and delivery of them.

Well, that's good information. If it's all in the lyrics, and delivery, I would never be able to get it.

Thanks for your answer.

Thom Yorke 10-17-2011 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Argento (Post 1111902)
It seems like I can't stand Rap .

It's awful because I can't enjoy one of the most abundant genres of music.

I can't understand a word of spoken English (I speak Spanish, and can read/write some babbled English).

To me, Rap is a single song. They change the lyrics, and call it a new song.

Actually, there are 5 songs which I would classify somewhat as rap, and I like, but 4 of them are in Spanish, and are just peripherally related to rap. The one on English, I heard it just once, on radio, and never knew his title, but I remember the phrase "you can believe me now". I looked for it on Internet, and never found it.

Even though lyricism is the main part there's still the instrumental part of it and the rapper's flow. MF DOOM is the best recommendation I have for that combination. You should check out Madvillainy by Madvillain. Short songs with a variety of beats so you won't get bored or think it's just the same song with new lyrics.

Janszoon 10-17-2011 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Argento (Post 1111906)
Yes. It's a copy of USA.

I don't recommend it.

Actually, there's some pretty good spanish-language rap out there.

Control Machete (Mexico)


Obsesión (Cuba)


Guerrillero Okulto (Chile)

Zaqarbal 10-18-2011 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Argento (Post 1111906)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 1111903)
There has to be Spanish hip hop out there somewhere?

Yes. It's a copy of USA. I don't recommend it.

Objection, your Honor! I don't agree. I used to think like you. I didn't like rap and hip hop (in any language), but a few months ago I listened to some songs in Spanish and I was pleasantly surprised by them. Actually, there are outstanding bands singing rap and hip hop music in Spanish. The good ones are not a mere copy of USA's acts, because:

  1. Since in these genres lyrics are a strong point, the fact that they make songs in a different language must be a distinguishing feature.
  2. Due to words' length, it is more difficult to write a good song in Spanish than in English. Therefore, a notable final result is praiseworthy, and it shows the artist's musical talent and skills.

Janszoon posted some good examples before. Personally, I was impressed by Violadores del Verso (band's name is a pun: "Verse Violators" or "Verse Rapists"). I intend to post some songs at another thread, but I'd like to translate their lyrics first (or at least a part of them). Anyway, in order to try to convert you, now I'll show you the following samples. Vivir para contarlo ("Living to Tell") and Vicios y virtudes ("Virtues and Vices"):



Vivir para contarlo:

(chorus)

♫ "Dame un ritmo cuando falte emoción...............Gimme a rhythm if excitement is missing.
Volvemos a contarlo con la misma pasión................We tell the story again with the same passion.
Hemos..................................We have....
....reservado la mejor colección.............................kept back the best collection
de delirios que quisieron convertirse en canción...................of delusions that wanted to turn themselves into a song.
" ♫

(BTW, vid's scenery isn't Arizona or Texas but Los Monegros. So that's NOT a copy of USA either. :))


A las cosas por su nombre ("To Call a Spade a Spade") and Ocho líneas ("Eight Lines").




Howard the Duck 10-18-2011 06:56 AM

i think Cypress Hill has some Spanish rap songs


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