Originally Posted by blastingas10

Well that's fine. You don't know me. Open mindedness goes a lot further into territory other than music, and I am open minded when it comes to music. The only reason you say that is because I don't electronic music, specifically the electronic music that you have posted. You've made plenty of close minded statements. For example, when you said "everything Bob Dylan did was folk norm." No offense, but I've always seen you as pompous and arrogant, and a little hypocritical, maybe if you smoked it would open your mind to the fact that you are just another person and you're not as great as you may think you are.

Originally Posted by anticipation

This is my favorite part. You do not buy the idea that marijuana stimulates the mind and body's natural processes because you don't know anything about marijuana. Cannabis contains over 80 chemicals known as cannabinoids; these chemicals are responsible for triggering such processes as neurogenesis and immunogenesis, and possess anxiolytic, analgesic, and neuroprotectant properties that can catalyze the brain to operate at a higher function. The human body is full of endocannabinoid receptors that bind to marijuana's constituents and interact to fully realize the body's hormonal and structural maintenance functions. Cannabinoids are essential to neuromodulator release, motor learning, synaptic plasticity, and the development of appetite in newborn children. Mother's breastmilk contains much of the same cannabinoids as our favorite strains of pot, and is responsible for the growth and proper functioning of an infant's brain. Still don't think marijuana has the ability to bring about mental clarity?

Originally Posted by anticipation

Nor did I. The point of my argument is the fact that you actually assign value to music. That you for some reason think that cultural stereotypes and your extremely limited and arbitrary sample sizes, i.e. "a lot of heavy pot smokers" you happen to know, have any bearing in intelligent discussion is utterly ridiculous. You've consistently stated that you don't think complex/layered/whatever elitist bull**** term you'd like to conjure up to defend itself isn't easier to comprehend when under the influence of marijuana, despite several members stating their own experience to prove the contrary. Not only do you actively deny the fact that JUST BECAUSE THE YOU AND THE PEOPLE YOU ASSOCIATE YOURSELF WITH CAN'T UTILIZE THE EFFECTS OF MARIJUANA TO BETTER YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF COMPLEX INFORMATION DOESN'T MEAN **** ALL FOR THE REST OF US, you also disrespect and denigrate the experiential diversity that these members put forth. There are those of us who realize that any drug can be a catalyst for self-improvement, give that its effects are conducive to mental clarity. Marijuana is no different.



"Culturally-associated" is a term so idiotic in definition it doesn't deserve to be in the English language. Your subjective idea of what is "culture" fails to take into account the infinitely varied responses marijuana use has on human beings. Who are you to assign anyone a dogmatic interpretation of their cognitive ability while under the influence of a substance you have no experience with? Are you really that vapid? That vain? To say that stoners are driven to simplistic music is stupid enough; to then try and defend it by saying it's proven by a cultural phenomenon when it so clearly has no correlation to marijuana's actual effects and could never be anything of the nature is incredible. This is a debate about if the effects of cannabis can enhance your ability to listen to music, not a debate about what people do when their high...



This is my favorite part. You do not buy the idea that marijuana stimulates the mind and body's natural processes because you don't know anything about marijuana. Cannabis contains over 80 chemicals known as cannabinoids; these chemicals are responsible for triggering such processes as neurogenesis and immunogenesis, and possess anxiolytic, analgesic, and neuroprotectant properties that can catalyze the brain to operate at a higher function. The human body is full of endocannabinoid receptors that bind to marijuana's constituents and interact to fully realize the body's hormonal and structural maintenance functions. Cannabinoids are essential to neuromodulator release, motor learning, synaptic plasticity, and the development of appetite in newborn children. Mother's breastmilk contains much of the same cannabinoids as our favorite strains of pot, and is responsible for the growth and proper functioning of an infant's brain. Still don't think marijuana has the ability to bring about mental clarity?

Originally Posted by Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra

With that said, I still don't buy all music being equal, and all perspectives being right.

Originally Posted by blastingas10

You have to realize who you are talking to.

The same guy that has said things like this:

Originally Posted by Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra

Sounds like a copy and pasted argument from a study which exists simply to already support your opinion. I can either take this as an example or walk down the street and see a sign that says "Marihuana is Medicine"(which I have), and be skeptical.

For me, I think there's a huge cloud of propaganda going into the issue of legalizing of pot, and it reeks of bull****. I'm just a natural skeptic, and chose to judge more on the actions, speech patterns, and behaviors of people around me when they're smoking weed than propaganda put under the lens of psuedoscience.

I mean, I bet you from a Christian scientist I can find evidence Jesus Christ fed the velociraptors fish, and bread. Yet, I take it with a grain of salt.

If you enjoy pot, good. It's not going to make me ignore the fact that I've personally seen wonderful people turned into blathering idiots by the drug.

Now, don't get me wrong, I've met some cool potheads. but, they're like drunks. Sometimes they're calm when they're high, sometimes complete overbearing snide pricks.

Originally Posted by Mrd00d

Don't get so worked up Anticipation, Skali. I see both sides of this argument and they both have merit. Take a step back and relax. I'm a pothead, and while I enjoy music more while stoned and/or drunk and/or on hallucinogens, I can't say it helps me to decipher layers in songs. Learning an instrument and many years of music listening have done that. I feel bad for Skali though, y'all. He's not coming across as an ass or an elitist in my opinion but there's a dogpile going on.

Originally Posted by Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra

Sounds like a copy and pasted argument from a study which exists simply to already support your opinion. I can either take this as an example or walk down the street and see a sign that says "Marihuana is Medicine"(which I have), and be skeptical.

For me, I think there's a huge cloud of propaganda going into the issue of legalizing of pot, and it reeks of bull****. I'm just a natural skeptic, and chose to judge more on the actions, speech patterns, and behaviors of people around me when they're smoking weed than propaganda put under the lens of psuedoscience.

I mean, I bet you from a Christian scientist I can find evidence Jesus Christ fed the velociraptors fish, and bread. Yet, I take it with a grain of salt.

If you enjoy pot, good. It's not going to make me ignore the fact that I've personally seen wonderful people turned into blathering idiots by the drug.

Now, don't get me wrong, I've met some cool potheads. but, they're like drunks. Sometimes they're calm when they're high, sometimes complete overbearing snide pricks.

Originally Posted by Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra

Sounds like a copy and pasted argument from a study which exists simply to already support your opinion. I can either take this as an example or walk down the street and see a sign that says "Marihuana is Medicine"(which I have), and be skeptical.

For me, I think there's a huge cloud of propaganda going into the issue of legalizing of pot, and it reeks of bull****. I'm just a natural skeptic, and chose to judge more on the actions, speech patterns, and behaviors of people around me when they're smoking weed than propaganda put under the lens of psuedoscience.

I mean, I bet you from a Christian scientist I can find evidence Jesus Christ fed the velociraptors fish, and bread. Yet, I take it with a grain of salt.

If you enjoy pot, good. It's not going to make me ignore the fact that I've personally seen wonderful people turned into blathering idiots by the drug.

Now, don't get me wrong, I've met some cool potheads. but, they're like drunks. Sometimes they're calm when they're high, sometimes complete overbearing snide pricks.

Originally Posted by anticipation

You're quite the laugh aren't you? Can't win an argument so you take your ball and go home. Go ahead and be as skeptical as you want, as working and living in a city that has medical marijuana programs has given me all the proof that I need. I no longer wish to argue with you because now the anger that I felt when I had to read such idiotic and ungrounded statements has turned to pity. I'm done trying to educate someone so ignorant and resistive to change that they choose to argue about a subject they literally have no knowledge of.

Enjoy the delusion you call existence.