mr dave

What a thread, great topic at the start, some good replies, some loopy surrealistic metaphysics that get singled out as 'bad' while sycophantic shenanigans go unabated but whatever (it IS the norm of webforums after all).

I'm no professional, just an internet deep thinker (read: stoner).

But music is one of those topics I've given deep thought towards. Lots of deep thought. I think one of the main issues plaguing this discussion is some member's inability to distinguish music as made by the human species over its existence and the music they consider good as individual humans (note the abundance of "NO! My music is not all 'durr hump hump hump' this biology theory is stupid!" type replies). As a result I find myself in full agreement with Lucifer Sam's statement about EXPRESSION over DISTINCTION.

Though at the same time it's rather ironic that music has recently very much become a means of individual distinction. Then again it's not like it didn't serve to distinguish cultures prior to that.

Much in the same way that I believe in both evolution and creationism, I think music evolved to serve both a biological and communicative function, I also disagree with the idea that music is a spandrel of language and actually believe the opposite. I have no qualms accepting song (especially modern song) as a spandrel of language, but music comes first. Consider a baby singing its heart out to the world before they're even able to say "Mama or Dada" it serves as a means to communicate base ideas and feelings in ways where the complexity of spoken language often fail.

Music came first.

As for the biological angle I don't necessarily buy into the whole 'making it happen to hook up'. Though, people arguing against the idea that the majority of 19 year old boys starting bands or learning instruments aren't using it as an angle to pick up girls are a little delusional. The function though isn't necessarily coupling but to bring together people in groups, with a common side effect being well... you know...

I'm surprised no one brought up the concept or behaviour of dance (if anyone did I'm sorry I missed it). Music and dance are intrinsically tied together as forms of individual artistic impression, though, in my eyes, the base purpose of dance is to display an individual's motor skills as well as to attract a mate (watch a pop video on mute and tell me it doesn't look like a porn shoot warm up...). It seems to stand to reason then that music would also have developed as a way to reach those ends but that doesn't mean it's the exclusive purpose. Though as mentioned by Satchmo music would cover an even wider range of potential aspects of development both mental and physical with the individual's musical prowess being an example of their ability to control those respective faculties of their being.

Where there is so much more to music than the sound you hear with the memories it provides, the images it creates of experiences you've never had, the change in mood or attitude, it's impossible to say it only came about for the booty. Though it's impossible to deny that booty is a factor in music, especially not after the socialization and individualization of music over the last few decades. Where it's heading after this who knows, I hear a lot of new songs, not a whole lot of new music, lots of people too busy 'trying' to actually end up 'doing'.

Now I'm rambling so I'll digress.

For me music will always be the sound of the light resulting from the friction between the infinite ego of want vs the eternal need of the self for control of the individual as refracted through their soul. How that fits into evolution or whatever? Who cares. Eric Dolphy said it best "When you hear music, after it's over, it's gone... in the air, you can never capture it again."


bliss (the piece starts after 20 seconds and reaches the limits of the sublime around 10 minutes).

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starry....do not get caught up in this. It's not your problem at all. I really know Words, and, I can feel auras from anywhere. You could take your real name, and give you a better reading than any crystal ball.

I am not one who relies on an action figure as a crutch. So, religion is anyone who relies on anything, but the dictionary to make a repetitive statement from another source. Critical thinking. I believe you have expressed your own words, so, you are but a click away from the Truth.

I am not a very tolerant person, when it comes to clicking my mouse.

That includes all these 'experts' whom everyone loves to quote.

So, I don't write that 'so and so said this, and I believe it. So it is a fact.

And, since you don't believe what I think, then you are less than intelligent, stupid, a moron, and a host of other positive terms.

And, then you see things like, "hey, remember what you did to that girl last year, and got her banned? You should do that to this guy"

And, click. My mouse says they always seem to originate in a certain area, I will not mention, who just feel a bit superior to all the yokels around about town.

It's evolution of a musical complex, that is no accident. They stick out like a sore thumb. Adapt to each other, and, weed out the challengers to their feeble minds.

And, I don't you starry are involved. And, if you are female. None of this applies to you. Men are the mutants. Not women.

How has the evolution of music, result from accident, or adaptation?

I have to put a song in here, or I am

No names. No personal insults. No attacks on personal characteristics. No Vulgarity, no perceptions, or delusions of grandeur.

This was really a mating ritual. Unprotected sex with multiple partners. So, I would guess it qualifies as primal mating call. So, let me know starry if it does

Everyone's a critic, but hey they really respect your talent.
Have your manager call my manager, and we'll make records together.
At this level of success in entertainment, there are certain confrontations.
It's a "you give we take" relationship.
The kids just wouldn't understand it.
Come on now, how long do think this is really gonna last?
How long can you hold their attention? How long before they move on to the next band?
On the inside.
On the inside.
On the inside.
Do you wanna know how it feels on the inside?
On the inside.
On the inside.
On the inside.
Do you wanna know how it feels on the inside?

Coordinate the marketing, label, publicity, touring.
Consult on, timing and presentation.
Go ahead put this in context.
It's 3 points on production, 15% to management,
10% to the agent, 5% to legal representation.
We call it our insurance plan to stretch the inevitable as far as we can.
Gotta make your money while you got the chance,
do whatever it takes to sell it.

On the inside.
On the inside.
On the inside.
Do you wanna know how it feels on the inside?
On the inside.
On the inside.
On the inside.

Do you wanna know how it feels on the inside?
(Let's go)
Just how desperate can we be?
Go buy our record and see.
Just how angry can we seem?
Go buy our record and see.
Just how ****ed up can it get?
Go buy our record and see.
Just how much can we bleed?
We're completely irrelevant on LP and compact disc.





Wow! Maybe, it's about record companies dictating the sound? I'm too stupid to grasp any concept on the thread. So, I believe there was a bit of conspiracy in that click of this song.

Thank God for copy/paste.

I think that I might just be a non-quickly member of every forum I participate on. It only once to be banned, but, I learned from it. A lot. As in retaliation.

And, never would call anyone names. I write sarcasm to myself. I know how stupid I am.

One more, because, I clicked and Frank Turner showed up. One of many great British messengers.....artists....sorry

You think some people might listen more, and talk less. Just a thought. This is a mating call, from a man well past 35. Wondering if he trying to impress young chicks?



Peace Starry, don't think anything about this. I am not being preachy, proselytizing, or am I exactly religious. I wrote extensively when you got slammed, but, I never posted it. I don't think certain children can dish it out, and not take it.

A common theme. The click of my says, 'you all may want to change your tactics. Someone here can have the tendency to cause them to backfire. He keeps excellent records, and, did not break a rule one here.

Offering of Peace. How freaking insensitive and rude of me. Shame Shame Shame

Peace

Here's what does to the human ego. Everyone here thinks that the music they listen to is the best music ever. Nobody deny driving down a street, and see someone else in their side, and they just crank it a little bit, or a lot. In order for the other drivers to listen, and hear what great music we as individual, egotistical beings were, listen to.

No man can deny 'kickin his jams, when someone is around.

There is you psychology. Just another of man's intrinsic desire to express his inclinations.

Even bar bands get chicks. Chicks like musicians. Musicians like sex, drugs, and roll and roll, and they all get chicks. Even Iggy Pop had no problems getting the babes He was really attractive. Keith Richards was attractive, and Niel Young was a babe magnet. Tom Petty....yeh I'd do him if we was post-op tranny, like David Bowie's wet dream.

I'll wait for the slams. It's the bourbon talking, not me. So, insult the Jim Beam, I am innocent

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Salami

Whose clever idea was it to let you have a computer?

And starry's sig says "non cliquey", not "quicky". A clique is a reclusive and usually unapproachable group, which starry doesn't like.

For someone who will gleefully correct my own spelling mistakes, you don't seem to even understand some words in his sig.

Steveeden, I'm sure you have some great things to say, but would you mind being a bit less condescending and please post what you want us to hear a little more concisely, since not many people will read all through those gigantic posts.

Howard the Duck

i think music came about cos people just want to "bang their heads"

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starrynight

Dance doesn't have to be seen as sexual, it can be simply communal. The communal aspect of music was probably far more important deeper in the past. It was a way of bringing people together for an event, like a kind of ritual in which people shared the experience. Now we can just plug in some personal headphones and experience something on just a personal level, or we can just dance alone.

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Paedantic Basterd

Steven, I have no idea what the **** you are talking about 90% of the time.

Necromancer

I wanted to say the same thing earlier, but self control got the best of me.

Its always obvious when someone has had a little to much to drink, and or smoke, with maybe a few xanex bars included to the mixture. Geesh..

Salami

The trouble is that there may well be something useful in there, but I don't have time or patience to wade through all the condescention to find it. I'm currently prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt, though, but if he keeps on like this I probably won't.

duga

Honestly, I would have deleted his posts by now but they are kind of funny.

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Janszoon

You guys actually read them?

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