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Well, she has 20 years of history advantage. I mean, with the several millions of dollars she has, the modern digital technology, and the ****ing army of producers at her disposal. It's not hard for her to sound superior.

Problem is, she's still a rather shallow clone. So comparing the two is completely unfair, really. Madonna sucked, truly, but at least she wasn't a direct carbon copy clone of something 20 years before her.

It's like tracing over a blue print, and then straightening out the lines. It may be more solid than the original, but, in the end, it's just a copy.

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It means that their music isn't enjoyable but in small portions at a time for the average person.

Their fan bases (buy her albums) consists of less than 0.5% of the world's population. It seems as if many more people enjoy their music because of the constant shoving in our face.

They have some good songs I like but as a whole their albums aren't of high quality.

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Madonna herself was sued plenty of times for plagiarism (I heard).

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Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra

That's not impossible. But is 90% of it from a single source? I mean obviously she borrows a lot from new wave. Waters it down a ton, truly. At least, for what little this means, it's not a carbon copy of a singular source.

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I now see what you mean by "isn't thoroughly enjoyable" and therefore the hype is unmerited, but I still don't see where the idea of the "average person" not enjoying them except in small portions. The average person doesn't love Led Zeppelin or Bob Dylan 100% of the time, but there is still considerable love for them in the world. I don't see why they should be treated as separate.
This is a different issue completely. And I can't find any evidence to back that up. I've never encountered a "monster" who is desperate to force their taste on me. They may be unbelievably weird, but no more assertive about personal taste than any other fan in general.

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I see what you're saying.

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Type in "Madonna plagiarism" on Google and you'll see just how much she stole. From songs, lyrics etc.

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Yes, but not from a singular source.

Besides, I'm not complimenting Madonna, far from it. I've always felt her formula was very childish, and her output is boring. Furthermore, I think the shock value of her videos is responsible for 99.9% of her success. I'm just saying that I kind of get tired of people sympathizing with Gaga and using the 'what if' of her inflated backstory to defend her.

In the end, her decision to become a flat clone of Madonna came from her lack success in attempts to be a more legit musician. If she never took that step, she'd fade into obscurity, and doesn't deserve any sympathy really since there's a lot of people who stuck to their guns, bit the bullet of commercial obscurity, and have more talent that don't get the same 'respect' for it.

Back to the topic of Madonna. I find it weird people are trying to argue she was a really talented musician. Maybe she associated herself with really talented producers. Maybe she knew how to dance(Which really, you can take dance lessons at any gym ever to exist, so I don't know why that's a distinct skill). But it was really just time, and place. She's not a very good singer, and not very attractive. However, at the time, she was a true taboo breaker for mainstream culture.

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I agree alot with this post.

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Lady Gaga isn't an exact clone of Madonna. I see more Bowie (her idol) in her to be honest.

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