Albums That Were Considered Huge Flops That You Actually Enjoy...

Howard the Duck · 06-16-2012, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Holerbot6000

One of the biggest flops ever - TUSK! I remember when it came out, I thought it was incredibly ballsy of Fleetwood Mac to put out such an ambitious and quirky album after 'Rumors', but unfortunately, they really got their asses handed to them. I still think this is far and away the best album the Buckingham Nicks version of the band ever did and I have found/made a lot of converts over the years, especially among young people. I love it just as much as I did when it first came out and still listen to it all the time.

i love that one as well

Screen13 · 06-16-2012, 10:20 AM

Sales-wise, Tusk was certainly no Rumors upon it's release, but in the end it did sell about 2 Mil, maybe more, in The States alone and scored three hit singles in "Think About Me," "Sara," and most importantly the title track (when the weirdness was concerned) . I think there was a report that Warners cancelled a lot of Christmas bonuses after hearing the album in a Q Magazine Maddest Albums Ever Made article, have to check again though. Upon hearing it again, most of Lindsay Buckingham's songs sounded like the start of his early solo sound circa "Holiday Road." A very good album.

I wonder if anyone here actually enjoys another album in that article, Happy Monday's Yes Please, the one that sped up the bankruptcy of Factory, recorded in Barbados with at least I think Shaun falling into Crack Addiction and had a pretty messed up recording history that at least unleashed a couple of good songs in "Stinking Thinking" and especially "Angel." I don't get into the whole album, but a couple of songs were good. I'm just wondering if anyone likes it as a whole album.

For my choice this post, I'm listening to Nick Guider's Frequency from 1979 (another '79 album like Tusk!). Now here's a big drop off from stardom - Following up "Hot Child in the City" was certainly not an easy thing to do, and sadly the kind of weak lead off track "You Really Rock Me" was not going to do the trick. After that, though, was a collection of some good Guilder Power Pop including "Metro Jets," "Watcher of the Night" (kind of sounding like he was listening to a lot of Rush), and "Time After Time," (not to be confused with the better known 80's song by Cindi Lauper). Not a bad album, but one that was seen in a lot of cut out bins. Got mine used with a Rink's sticker that had the album for 20 Cents.

Howard the Duck · 06-16-2012, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Screen13

I wonder if anyone here actually enjoys another album in that article, Happy Monday's Yes Please, the one that sped up the bankruptcy of Factory, recorded in Barbados with at least I think Shaun falling into Crack Addiction and had a pretty messed up recording history that at least unleashed a couple of good songs in "Stinking Thinking" and especially "Angel." I don't get into the whole album, but a couple of songs were good. I'm just wondering if anyone likes it as a whole album.

i completely hated it when i first got it, cos it sounds nothing like their "trademark" sound, which is this wonky out-of-tune offkey thing, and is more of "sleaze rock"

i relistened to it recently and found to my surprise, actually enjoying it

Unknown Soldier · 06-16-2012, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Screen13

Sales-wise, Tusk was certainly no Rumors upon it's release, but in the end it did sell about 2 Mil, maybe more, in The States alone and scored three hit singles in "Think About Me," "Sara," and most importantly the title track (when the weirdness was concerned) . I think there was a report that Warners cancelled a lot of Christmas bonuses after hearing the album in a Q Magazine Maddest Albums Ever Made article, have to check again though. Upon hearing it again, most of Lindsay Buckingham's songs sounded like the start of his early solo sound circa "Holiday Road." A very good album.

I wonder if anyone here actually enjoys another album in that article, Happy Monday's Yes Please, the one that sped up the bankruptcy of Factory, recorded in Barbados with at least I think Shaun falling into Crack Addiction and had a pretty messed up recording history that at least unleashed a couple of good songs in "Stinking Thinking" and especially "Angel." I don't get into the whole album, but a couple of songs were good. I'm just wondering if anyone likes it as a whole album.

For my choice this post, I'm listening to Nick Guider's Frequency from 1979 (another '79 album like Tusk!). Now here's a big drop off from stardom - Following up "Hot Child in the City" was certainly not an easy thing to do, and sadly the kind of weak lead off track "You Really Rock Me" was not going to do the trick. After that, though, was a collection of some good Guilder Power Pop including "Metro Jets," "Watcher of the Night" (kind of sounding like he was listening to a lot of Rush), and "Time After Time," (not to be confused with the better known 80's song by Cindi Lauper). Not a bad album, but one that was seen in a lot of cut out bins. Got mine used with a Rink's sticker that had the album for 20 Cents.

The problem with Tusk is that it may have been too much a Lindsey Buckingham album for Fleetwood Mac. Its an album that at times is brilliant whilst at times in fairly incoherent, its an album for big fans of the band and even bigger fans of Lindsey, as you said its fore-shadows Lindsey's solo work which I love, so I do like Tusk but its very much a flawed masterpiece as ...And Justice For All was for Metallica.

Howard the Duck · 06-16-2012, 10:30 AM

talking about the 'Ca, i'm sure nobody else loves this album as much as I do:-

Screen13 · 06-16-2012, 11:14 AM

Marshall Crenshaw - Field Day (1983) While he was never really a major star, he was on his way in 1982 having a great Top 40 hit from his debut album (A cover of Robert Gordon's classic "Someday Someway"). For his next trick, getting a name producer who gave his sound a big boom (Steve Lillywhite) showed that he was ready to go for the gold, but sadly with with a 1950's style cover and a Regular but Cool Guy image (Yes, you can say Buddy Holly's name in comparison), there was a bump in the road by the time the MTV-led Pop Scene took over - keep in mind also that The Police's Synchronicity was released a couple of weeks later, shoving off all recently-released competition. The music is his usual classic sharp Early 60's Pop and songs like "Our Town" were winners. "Whenever You're On My Mind" sadly had some criticism for containing that bold production when released as a single possibly by those who certainly did not know that a little Wall of Sound certainly was the prefect fit. Released right in the middle of the Video Star world that shoved Crenshaw's No-BS style to the side, this went straight into the dollar bins very quick as many missed out n a cool collection of songs. Chiming Guitars, sharp Ringo style Drumming, not a note wrong here.

Screen13 · 06-16-2012, 11:21 AM

Just noticed this in my notes...Field Day was released around the same time as The Plimsolls' Everywhere At One, which I think was the album with "A Million Miles Away," the classic slice of Power Pop. Yeah, you can say that the style was having a tough time in a moment when Billy Idol, The Police, and other Video stars were big news. That album, from what I remember enjoying, was certainly buried under in the charts (In the 180's from what I know).

Screen13 · 06-16-2012, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Howard the Duck

i completely hated it when i first got it, cos it sounds nothing like their "trademark" sound, which is this wonky out-of-tune offkey thing, and is more of "sleaze rock"

i relistened to it recently and found to my surprise, actually enjoying it

I think that time is right to hear that album without thinking of the events that surrounded it's release, now seriously not as remembered.

James Ihash · 06-16-2012, 12:18 PM

Hello Music Banter, this is my first post. The list below is what I remember now, maybe there is more...

My Dying Bride - 34.788%...Complete
Probably my favorite from MDB, a very experimental doom/goth album, there is nothing like it, very unique. Metal fans always want more of the same, so they changed back to their doom/goth origins.

Lou Reed - Metal Machine Music
Free improvisation with noise and electronic music, of corse people will dislike this, but I think it is very avant garde in my opinion. I've heard many stories behind the making of this record, but I think it is of great value if you consider experimental music in the 80s/90s.

Sepultura - Roots
Roots took Sepultura to stardom, they became famous everywhere in the planet, and became the most famous brazilian band outside Brazil. But in brazil, where Sepultura was already famous, most fans consider roots to be a "new metal crap". I think it is their best album, and also the last that I really enjoy by them.

P.O.D. - Payable on Death
When guitarist Marcos Curiel lft the band, they were in their peak, dominating charts everywhere. So, when they realeased Payable on Death everybody was expecting more of the same, something this wasn't. They left nu-metal out and started playing a consistent reggae-rock, way more accessible than their previous works. It's their best, in my opinion.

Metallica & Lou Reed - Lulu
I am not a fan of metallica and I don't care much about what their are doing since the load-reload phase. But their collaboration with Lou Reed is really interesting. I like it very much, and I was kind of surprised no one enjoyed a bit.

NEWGUY562 · 06-16-2012, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by James Ihash

Hello music Banter, this is my first post. The list below is what I remember now, maybe there is more...

[IMG]upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3f/34_788_Complete_Album_Cover.jpg[/IMG]
My Dying Bride - 34.788%...Complete
Probably my favorite from MDB, a very experimental doom/goth album, there is nothing like it, very unique. Metal fans always want more of the same, so they changed back to their doom/goth origins.

[IMG]upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/65/Metal_machine_music.jpg/220px-Metal_machine_music.jpg[/IMG]
Lou Reed - Metal Machine Music
Free improvisation with noise and electronic music, of corse people will dislike this, but I think it is very avant garde in my opinion. I've heard many stories behind the making of this record, but I think it is of great value if you consider experimental music in the 80s/90s.

[IMG]upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/cf/Sepultura_-_Roots.jpg/220px-Sepultura_-_Roots.jpg[/IMG]
Sepultura - Roots
Roots took Sepultura to stardom, they became famous everywhere in the planet, and became the most famous brazilian band outside Brazil. But in brazil, where Sepultura was already famous, most fans consider roots to be a "new metal crap". I think it is their best album, and also the last that I really enjoy by them.

[IMG]upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d1/Album_PayableOnDeath.jpg/220px-Album_PayableOnDeath.jpg[/IMG]
P.O.D. - Payable on Death
When guitarist Marcos Curiel lft the band, they were in their peak, dominating charts everywhere. So, when they realeased Payable on Death everybody was expecting more of the same, something this wasn't. They left nu-metal out and started playing a consistent reggae-rock, way more accessible than their previous works. It's their best, in my opinion.

[IMG]upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/40/Lou_Reed_and_Metallica_-_Lulu.jpg/220px-Lou_Reed_and_Metallica_-_Lulu.jpg[/IMG]
Metallica & Lou Reed - Lulu
I am not a fan of metallica and I don't care much about what their are doing since the load-reload phase. But their collaboration with Lou Reed is really interesting. I like it very much, and I was kind of surprised no one enjoyed a bit.

i agree with you on payable on death i remember buying that album as a child

i loved it more than satelite...(will you,change the world,execute the sounds,waiting on today, i and identify)

06-16-2012, 12:18 PM	#49 (permalink)
James Ihash Groupie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Land of Drizzle Posts: 47	(It seems I am not allowed to post pictures here, just add http:// to the adresses) Hello Music Banter, this is my first post. The list below is what I remember now, maybe there is more... My Dying Bride - 34.788%...Complete Probably my favorite from MDB, a very experimental doom/goth album, there is nothing like it, very unique. Metal fans always want more of the same, so they changed back to their doom/goth origins. Lou Reed - Metal Machine Music Free improvisation with noise and electronic music, of corse people will dislike this, but I think it is very avant garde in my opinion. I've heard many stories behind the making of this record, but I think it is of great value if you consider experimental music in the 80s/90s. Sepultura - Roots Roots took Sepultura to stardom, they became famous everywhere in the planet, and became the most famous brazilian band outside Brazil. But in brazil, where Sepultura was already famous, most fans consider roots to be a "new metal crap". I think it is their best album, and also the last that I really enjoy by them. P.O.D. - Payable on Death When guitarist Marcos Curiel lft the band, they were in their peak, dominating charts everywhere. So, when they realeased Payable on Death everybody was expecting more of the same, something this wasn't. They left nu-metal out and started playing a consistent reggae-rock, way more accessible than their previous works. It's their best, in my opinion. Metallica & Lou Reed - Lulu I am not a fan of metallica and I don't care much about what their are doing since the load-reload phase. But their collaboration with Lou Reed is really interesting. I like it very much, and I was kind of surprised no one enjoyed a bit. Last edited by James Ihash; 06-16-2012 at 04:22 PM.

06-16-2012, 10:20 AM	#42 (permalink)
Screen13 Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,388	Sales-wise, Tusk was certainly no Rumors upon it's release, but in the end it did sell about 2 Mil, maybe more, in The States alone and scored three hit singles in "Think About Me," "Sara," and most importantly the title track (when the weirdness was concerned) . I think there was a report that Warners cancelled a lot of Christmas bonuses after hearing the album in a Q Magazine Maddest Albums Ever Made article, have to check again though. Upon hearing it again, most of Lindsay Buckingham's songs sounded like the start of his early solo sound circa "Holiday Road." A very good album. I wonder if anyone here actually enjoys another album in that article, Happy Monday's Yes Please, the one that sped up the bankruptcy of Factory, recorded in Barbados with at least I think Shaun falling into Crack Addiction and had a pretty messed up recording history that at least unleashed a couple of good songs in "Stinking Thinking" and especially "Angel." I don't get into the whole album, but a couple of songs were good. I'm just wondering if anyone likes it as a whole album. For my choice this post, I'm listening to Nick Guider's Frequency from 1979 (another '79 album like Tusk!). Now here's a big drop off from stardom - Following up "Hot Child in the City" was certainly not an easy thing to do, and sadly the kind of weak lead off track "You Really Rock Me" was not going to do the trick. After that, though, was a collection of some good Guilder Power Pop including "Metro Jets," "Watcher of the Night" (kind of sounding like he was listening to a lot of Rush), and "Time After Time," (not to be confused with the better known 80's song by Cindi Lauper). Not a bad album, but one that was seen in a lot of cut out bins. Got mine used with a Rink's sticker that had the album for 20 Cents.

06-16-2012, 11:14 AM	#46 (permalink)
Screen13 Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,388	Marshall Crenshaw - Field Day (1983) While he was never really a major star, he was on his way in 1982 having a great Top 40 hit from his debut album (A cover of Robert Gordon's classic "Someday Someway"). For his next trick, getting a name producer who gave his sound a big boom (Steve Lillywhite) showed that he was ready to go for the gold, but sadly with with a 1950's style cover and a Regular but Cool Guy image (Yes, you can say Buddy Holly's name in comparison), there was a bump in the road by the time the MTV-led Pop Scene took over - keep in mind also that The Police's Synchronicity was released a couple of weeks later, shoving off all recently-released competition. The music is his usual classic sharp Early 60's Pop and songs like "Our Town" were winners. "Whenever You're On My Mind" sadly had some criticism for containing that bold production when released as a single possibly by those who certainly did not know that a little Wall of Sound certainly was the prefect fit. Released right in the middle of the Video Star world that shoved Crenshaw's No-BS style to the side, this went straight into the dollar bins very quick as many missed out n a cool collection of songs. Chiming Guitars, sharp Ringo style Drumming, not a note wrong here.

06-16-2012, 11:21 AM	#47 (permalink)
Screen13 Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,388	Just noticed this in my notes...Field Day was released around the same time as The Plimsolls' Everywhere At One, which I think was the album with "A Million Miles Away," the classic slice of Power Pop. Yeah, you can say that the style was having a tough time in a moment when Billy Idol, The Police, and other Video stars were big news. That album, from what I remember enjoying, was certainly buried under in the charts (In the 180's from what I know).