What do you think of this generation of music?

Neapolitan · 06-29-2012, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Screen13

It's a good time to be creating, though. The Pop Scene will always be the Pop Scene, although I do have to say that on the plus side of the stuff I don't listen to unless I catch it by You Tube or Accident is that there's more beats and attitude to it now despite the abundance of soft music still being played in some areas of the Industry. I don't know if any one of you would like to go back when The Carpenters were all aroundthe charts with their safer than safe sounds or when FM radio played it too safe with it's Styx/Journey overkill when it turned into a business in The US. As for the so-called Magical 60's that did have a lot of great stuff achieving success in an era when the industry was far from it's mega-million dollar world, there was a lot of crap to rebel against as well, trust me.

I'm of a few generations ago, but I do still have some interest in the more underground areas that are still happening now.

Are you talking about the Pop Charts or all music in general? You said "when" not their style of music, so I looked up when their active years were, it was 1969 to 1983 according to wiki. A lot can happen in music in one or two years let alone 15 years and a lot did happen. Just think about the amount of music coming from Soul, Funk, Prog, Techno, Hard Rock, Disco, Punk, New Wave etc. t hat can be found between '69 - '83. A lot of that was innovative for their time. They were the formative years for hip-hop and Heavy Metal. There was as well some bad and mediocre stuff too. But in general they was a lot of good music recorded and people still talking about music made then. I can't see the point of what you said, unless you where talking about the Pop charts, still you can't dismiss those years on a few example of bad chart hits or bands from that era.

Screen13 · 06-30-2012, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

Are you talking about the Pop Charts or all music in general? You said "when" not their style of music, so I looked up when their active years were, it was 1969 to 1983 according to wiki. A lot can happen in music in one or two years let alone 15 years and a lot did happen. Just think about the amount of music coming from Soul, Funk, Prog, Techno, Hard Rock, Disco, Punk, New Wave etc. t hat can be found between '69 - '83. A lot of that was innovative for their time. They were the formative years for hip-hop and Heavy Metal. There was as well some bad and mediocre stuff too. But in general they was a lot of good music recorded and people still talking about music made then. I can't see the point of what you said, unless you where talking about the Pop charts , still you can't dismiss those years on a few example of bad chart hits or bands from that era.

I was just speaking about the Pop Chart in comparison to what what everyone complains about now, following on the OP of this thread. I lived in a small town and actually l discovered a lot of good music at the local library or late night TV show as I hardly got in the FM Rock Stations in the cities far away or if I had the luck to get in WGPR (Soul Station) on the AM - even CKLW was getting too lame. I was a kid stuck in Nowhere with a cheap radio and a parent who listened to the AM radio.

Ben Butler · 06-30-2012, 06:32 AM

I think the 21st century has been a poor era for music. The current industry is dominated by mass producing, commercially driven souless pop and rap songs dominated by themes such as sex, alcohol and drugs. There has been a shift away from real music and talent, certainly in terms of the mainstream scene.

Good music is still available but it's difficult to access, although I think the internet could have a big part to play in driving these more niche types of musics back into the mainstream through the social networking platform. This is going to be crucial as the digital age sees a total reduction in CD and album sales.

mr dave · 06-30-2012, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben Butler

I think the 21st century has been a poor era for music. The current industry is dominated by mass producing, commercially driven souless pop and rap songs dominated by themes such as sex, alcohol and drugs. There has been a shift away from real music and talent, certainly in terms of the mainstream scene.

The exact same thing could have been said about the 1980s.

Howard the Duck · 06-30-2012, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Screen13

It's a good time to be creating, though. The Pop Scene will always be the Pop Scene, although I do have to say that on the plus side of the stuff I don't listen to unless I catch it by You Tube or Accident is that there's more beats and attitude to it now despite the abundance of soft music still being played in some areas of the Industry. I don't know if any one of you would like to go back when The Carpenters were all around the charts with their safer than safe sounds or when FM radio played it too safe with it's Styx/Journey overkill when it turned into a business in The US. As for the so-called Magical 60's that did have a lot of great stuff achieving success in an era when the industry was far from it's mega-million dollar world, there was a lot of crap to rebel against as well, trust me.

problem is, i think the Carpenters were fucking geniuses

anybody who so easily put them off has probably never studied any of their songs to see how complex they are

and Journey and Styx are alright with me, well, Kilroy Was Here-era Styx anyway

yes, the 60s had a lot of fluffy pop schmop, but they were fun

Neapolitan · 07-01-2012, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Screen13

I was just speaking about the Pop Chart in comparison to what what everyone complains about now, following on the OP of this thread. I lived in a small town and actually l discovered a lot of good music at the local library or late night TV show as I hardly got in the FM Rock Stations in the cities far away or if I had the luck to get in WGPR (Soul Station) on the AM - even CKLW was getting too lame. I was a kid stuck in Nowhere with a cheap radio and a parent who listened to the AM radio.

Well now you are a kid with a computer and you can look up all kind stuff on youtube and really discover what that era of '69 to '83 had to offer. Don't be bullied around by kids your age that thinks only todays music is hip or cool. You're still young and if you can free yourself from that mentality that old music isn't cool - once you learn more about that era you yourself probably would wish you could live during that era (circa '69 to '83).

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Originally Posted by Howard the Duck

problem is, i think the Carpenters were fucking geniuses

anybody who so easily put them off has probably never studied any of their songs to see how complex they are

and Journey and Styx are alright with me, well, Kilroy Was Here-era Styx anyway

yes, the 60s had a lot of fluffy pop schmop, but they were fun

If Catpenters were geniuses it's because the stood on the shoulders of giants, i.e. Les Paul and Mary Ford, notwithstanding their (Carpenter's) own talent they brought to their music.

Journey lucked out finding Arnel Pineda, he really rocks out their songs. But in a way there's a strange resemblance to Mark Wahlberg character in Rock Star.

Screen13 · 07-01-2012, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Screen13

I was just speaking about the Pop Chart in comparison to what what everyone complains about now, following on the OP of this thread. I lived in a small town and actually l discovered a lot of good music at the local library or late night TV show as I hardly got in the FM Rock Stations in the cities far away or if I had the luck to get in WGPR (Soul Station) on the AM - even CKLW was getting too lame . I was a kid stuck in Nowhere with a cheap radio and a parent who listened to the AM radio.

Maybe I should have threw in the years I was talking about.

I was from "Back in the day." A kid in the Mid-70's. I don't think AM Radio has much music anymore. CK-AM as it was went away around the Mid 80's I think.

Life in Small Town Pre-MTV USA was seriously very bland with the occasional Rocker and hipster making it bearable for me as a major music listener. The great music then was mainly known in the Cities and Colleges. As a kid back then, I WISHED I was where the action was, but I only got it through the occasional record, good (usually low-rated) radio station, or Late Night TV show. Back then, the US Music Industry found a way to sell to the Small Dots through MOR, where the numbers and dollars were, with the Mid 70's being the time when it was really full power in the mainstream - The FM Rock stations followed suit in the Late 70's once they really knew how to play the game and had the bands to go with.

For all of the complaining MTV gets, and deservedly so, you have to admit that the early years (The equivalent of the early days of FM Rock, in my opinion) upped the volume for Pop in the US. Certainly not the IQ levels, but at least the attitude.

(* - In other parts of the world, there were certainly a lot of good happenings. I also wished that I was there as well, but sadly my parents were never the world-traveling type)

(** - Also, you have to admit that at least that US Exploitation Cinema had some very groovy and cool soundtracks that at least were successful. In a way, the small towns and rural areas had their dose of hipness at the small theaters and Drive Ins of the day before the era ended by the Early/Mid-80's.)

Ben Butler · 07-02-2012, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

The exact same thing could have been said about the 1980s.

Yes but it's rock music that focused on real talent and not money.

Blarobbarg · 07-02-2012, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben Butler

Yes but it's rock music that focused on real talent and not money.

Seriously? Have you looked at what was popular in the 80's? It was a bunch of bands who were making formulaic music to tap into a wide appeal so that they could MAKE MONEY.

Sorry dude, that's the way the world works. Everyone everywhere is out to make money, and anyone who's not gets left behind.

**Janszoon** · 07-02-2012, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben Butler

Yes but it's rock music that focused on real talent and not money.

Yes, the 80s was all about focusing on real talent and not money.

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Ben Butler Music Addict Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Rudheath Posts: 393	I think the 21st century has been a poor era for music. The current industry is dominated by mass producing, commercially driven souless pop and rap songs dominated by themes such as sex, alcohol and drugs. There has been a shift away from real music and talent, certainly in terms of the mainstream scene. Good music is still available but it's difficult to access, although I think the internet could have a big part to play in driving these more niche types of musics back into the mainstream through the social networking platform. This is going to be crucial as the digital age sees a total reduction in CD and album sales.