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NEWGUY562 07-17-2012 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1209385)
Why what?


Really? I loved it the first time I heard it.


I love the Brian Wilson recording of Smile. Smiley Smile is just okay. It has it's moments but it feels like the cobbled-together album that it is. And I have yet to hear Smile Sessions.

:) mee too especially with what he did to blue hawaii and child is the father of the man..smiley smile is smile's evil twin sister so i accept it lol
and wtf check it out now that's such a suprise you havent so far..you're missing out

jackhammer 07-17-2012 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1208925)
I don't agree. Saying we wouldn't have Alternative Rock if there wasn't a Velvet Underground is basically the same thing as uber-Beatles-fans are condemn for saying. I'm not trying undermind the talent of Pink Floyd or VU or trying to say they didn't indeed influenced other bands but I find that statement identical to "Rock wouldn't exist without the Beatles." - same thought process different variables. VU:Alt-Rock::The Beatles:Rock

TBH I was just throwing names out there as an example of bands OTHER than The Beatles influencing music, as big The Beatles fan just seem to think that they are the only band out there influencing all other bands that came after them.

NEWGUY562 07-17-2012 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 1209551)
TBH I was just throwing names out there as an example of bands OTHER than The Beatles influencing music, as big The Beatles fan just seem to think that they are the only band out there influencing all other bands that came after them.

Sgt. pepper and The Piper at The Gates of Dawn (Pink Floyd) were recorded at the same studio on the same months and came out at the same time and I feel that Pink Floyd's album was more creative and just better musically...At the time they didn't get as much recognition because they were still "underground" smh.. :/

Rjinn 07-17-2012 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 1209551)
TBH I was just throwing names out there as an example of bands OTHER than The Beatles influencing music, as big The Beatles fan just seem to think that they are the only band out there influencing all other bands that came after them.

The Beatles didn't influence all types of bands. Their biggest impact was that they conventionalised music, which pretty much created pop. That's all.

nbakid2000 07-17-2012 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 1209551)
TBH I was just throwing names out there as an example of bands OTHER than The Beatles influencing music, as big The Beatles fan just seem to think that they are the only band out there influencing all other bands that came after them.

While I tend to think the Beatles are the greatest rock group of all time, I rarely listen to them. Why? Because there's thousands of other groups out there that interest me as much or more than them. Interesting stuff that I haven't heard 10,000x ad nauseum. I also don't like the fact that they're shoved down my throat every time I turn around, and that I can't seem to escape it.

They're played in public, they're mentioned on internet forums, my friend called me up one time and started a 30 minute rant on how great the Beatles were and how they were so ahead of their time and how nothing besides maybe Radiohead could ever touch them. I've got friends that are obsessed with George Harrison.

I've just had enough Beatles and I don't appreciate being, in a sense, forced to appreciate them by marketing and hype and the general public.

The Beatles are not the be all end all of music. There are thousands of other groups out there that are very talented and are creating new and interesting things all the time. I just don't get people who are obsessed with and worship the Beatles.

Neapolitan 07-17-2012 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 1209551)
TBH I was just throwing names out there as an example of bands OTHER than The Beatles influencing music, as big The Beatles fan just seem to think that they are the only band out there influencing all other bands that came after them.

[edit]There are a lot of people who just pick out a single band to influence all other bands. If you weren't doing that with UV then I'm sorry.

Their are plenty of VU fans that think they created alternative music. I foind them all over youtube - I wasn't looking for this either.

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Originally Posted by Voigt465
I'll go you one better. ALL alternative music began and ended with The Velvet Underground. And everyone who followed later was paying homage.

Same old same old - if you ask me.

Well ok why do Bealtemaniacs feel that way, it comes from the media and the band itself. The Beatles claim they are the first band to have a single name, and not in the form of a "[person's name] and the [band's name]" like "Buddy Holly and The Crickets" or "Gene Vincent and The Blue Caps." Their claim they the first band to have all electric bass, lead and rhythm guitars and drums and sand with a single band name.


I see it evolving up to that point of electric guitar,bass & drums. Les Paul and Mary Ford: one man one guitar (plus a female vocalist) The Blue Moon Boys consist of Elvis Presley on acoustic guitar Scotty Moore on electric guitar and Bill Black on standup (dog house) bass. Elvis quickly became the main star, Scotty and Bill were really session musicians and they got paid once for their work and never recieved any royalities. Eventually D.J. Fontana joined then Elvis was back by the vocal group The Jordanaires. Buddy Holly and the Crickets two electric guitars stand up bass and drums. The Ventures were the next step: two electric gutiar (one for lead and and another for rhythym), electric bass and drums. Some consider them the proto-Rock Band. The Ventures structure bass, 2 guitars and drums and add sing then you have a Rock Band. The Bealtes felt like they were the first and all bands that followed them were trying to be like them but never could - paraphrasing from an interview.

A lot of bands follow that lines up The Beatels had of lead, rhythym, bass and drums, but not all bands are like that. And there are so much music around I can't see one band or artist taking all the credit.

The Stones followed the Beatles time-wise but both of their influence came from different directions. I know The Bealtes help the Stones out by writing a hit song for them, but their (RS) influences were Blues and R&B.

Rjinn 07-19-2012 03:45 AM

"We're more popular than Jesus." - Lennon

Really The Beatles were pretentious than anything.

Urban Hat€monger ? 07-19-2012 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1209662)
I know The Bealtes help the Stones out by writing a hit song for them,

You'd be wrong then because they wrote it for their own album not for the benefit of The Stones.

The decision for the Stones to cover it was made solely by their record label against the Stones wishes. neither band had anything to do with it.

And it wasn't really a hit either it did marginally better than their first single.

Duraddict 07-19-2012 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rjinnx (Post 1210043)
"We're more popular than Jesus." - Lennon

Really The Beatles were pretentious than anything.

Very proud to have a Beatles-free music collection, barring some solo work.

NEWGUY562 07-19-2012 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Duraddict (Post 1210255)
Very proud to have a Beatles-free music collection, barring some solo work.

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