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Duraddict 07-15-2012 10:09 PM

Without a doubt, Strange Days is the weakest of the Morrison-era LPs.

NEWGUY562 07-15-2012 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Duraddict (Post 1208915)
Without a doubt, Strange Days is the weakest of the Morrison-era LPs.

imo waiting for the sun is their weakest Lps :/
though it has (hello i love you,unknown soldier,yes the river knows & five to one) it still has more filler then great songs..

Rjinn 07-15-2012 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by NEWGUY562 (Post 1208688)
ok pink floyd or genesis? :)

Pink Floyd.

First half Beatles albums. Second half Stones albums.

Neapolitan 07-15-2012 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 1208883)
Kids today don't know the Beatles.
Also, they are horse****.

I'm not going to assume anything and say all kids today know or don't know whom the Beatles are/were, but I think there might be more than you think that do know whom the Beatles are. Especially because there music is still accessible and there are a few indie/alt bands that have some Beatlesque sound to them, it would be easier for them to get into the Beatles music than some one in the 60's who liked the Beatles to get into music from 18th, or turn of the 19th century music - if you used the same time difference.

Think about it if disliking the Beatles is due to an emotional reaction to people liking the Beatles too much then it would seem the next generation would go in the the oppostie direction of that and think it's cool to like the Beatles as a counter-reaction of people hating the Beatles too much.

I wouldn't write off Amy Winehouse or Sade either, really none of us knows what the future will entail. They might be legendary in the future as some female Blues or Jazz singer from the 20s was legendary for people during the 70's. It is all speculation anyway, no one really knows.


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Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 1208856)
That doesn't mean that the bands they will influence will be any good though.

If we didn't have Syd Barrett or the Velvet Underground then Alternative music may not exist at all or if Mozart got drunk instead of writing music then we may not have any modern music.

I grew up with The Beatles and appreciate their music but they are not the be all and end all of music as we know it and people should accept criticism of their music like any other artistes.

I don't agree. Saying we wouldn't have Alternative Rock if there wasn't a Velvet Underground is basically the same thing as uber-Beatles-fans are condemn for saying. I'm not trying undermind the talent of Pink Floyd or VU or trying to say they didn't indeed influenced other bands but I find that statement identical to "Rock wouldn't exist without the Beatles." - same thought process different variables. VU:Alt-Rock::The Beatles:Rock

In both instances there were plenty of other bands before them, and some where along the line another band come would fill the void as the most important. Could we have Alternative without UV yes, the music and lyrical contend of the bands they influenced would just be different that's all. Before VU there was Frat Rock, Surf, and Garage Rock, all very influential to the next wave of bands who in turn influence Alt-Rock bands. In a world without VU, Dick Dale could be seen as the most important.

Screen13 07-16-2012 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by NEWGUY562 (Post 1208920)
imo waiting for the sun is their weakest Lps :/
though it has (hello i love you,unknown soldier,yes the river knows & five to one) it still has more filler then great songs..

I would say The Soft Parade. Besides the great epic title track, it's really not their strongest. True, they tried a different setting but sadly that wound up sounding really soft - a bit bloated. At least the PBS special they did around that time equaled things a bit in my opinion, though.

Screen13 07-16-2012 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by NEWGUY562 (Post 1208144)
The biggest debate in Rock n Roll history is ..Who's the better Beatles or Rolling Stones?
Well for me that's like picking your father or mother but out of these albums which do you prefer?


Rubber Soul vs. Aftermath
Revolver vs. Between the Buttons
Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band vs. Their Satanic Majesties Request
Magical Mystery Tour vs. Beggars Banquet
White Album vs. Let it Bleed
Abbey Road vs. Sticky Fingers
Let It Be vs. Exile on Main St.

Love The Beatles, but groove for groove (side by side), I would say Stones, with the only change being for Revolver and maybe Pepper (I still think "2,000 Light Years From Home" is Satan's Trump Card).

In a way, though, I would have to throw in that the comparisons get a little out-of-synch at the end it's a bit odd placing MMT with the Stones' return to basics.

After the first three settings...
MMT vs. "We Love You/Dandelion" - in it's original UK release, the MMT Soundtrack was a Double 7 in The UK at first and only on the EP Charts. True, the US version that expanded it to a full album is the official release now, possibly the only thing Capitol did right with any of the original releases during their infamous Butchering the Discography days, though. Still, they were Psychedelic stand-alone singles back in the day. Here, it would be a Dark Psychedelic Tie.

"Hey Jude" vs. "Memo From Turner" (OK, a Jagger solo, but same attitude, and same era. Warner's held back the release of Performance about a good two years)

"Revolution" vs. "Child of the Moon" (B-Side War!)

White Album vs. Beggar's Banquet (A bit unfair to place a double with a 1-LP, but still due to The Glimmer Twins really going full force, BB is the winner over a classic assembly of tracks that still is great, but feels very fragmented due to it's history and when one reads too much about it...I admit I may read a little too much)

"Get Back" vs. "Honky Tonk Woman" (Back to the Roots Singles War!)

Abbey Road vs. Let It Bleed

Let It Be vs. Get Your Yas Yas Out - Sticky Fingers started a whole new era, so the Live '69 tracks are a far better comparison. The Greatest Live Band in the World era started here in style while classic the Beatles Rooftop tracks on Let It Be only hinted at what might have been.


Still, in the end it's been all done too many times over and over again, too many times. All win.

NEWGUY562 07-16-2012 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Screen13 (Post 1208973)
I would say The Soft Parade. Besides the great epic title track, it's really not their strongest. True, they tried a different setting but sadly that wound up sounding really soft - a bit bloated. At least the PBS special they did around that time equaled things a bit in my opinion, though.

i love that album :) most doors fans hate it because it has a light and different sound with all the strings and such...but to me it's the smiley smile of the door's catalog :D

SGR 07-16-2012 06:26 AM

LA Woman is possibly a better album than anything the Beatles did save for maybe Abbey Road. Same thing with the Stones' Beggars Banquet.

NEWGUY562 07-16-2012 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks (Post 1208989)
LA Woman is possibly a better album than anything the Beatles did save for maybe Abbey Road. Same thing with the Stones' Beggars Banquet.

La Woman the song is great but La Woman the album is the doors 2nd worst album imo...rubber soul alone is better than anything the doors ever did...morrison wanted to make strange days bigger than anything the beatles did but they failed...the closest any american group came to being competition with the beatles were the beach boys..that's pretty much it.

Duraddict 07-16-2012 08:50 AM

Queen II is better than anything The Beatles could have dreamed of.


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