Has music become stagnant (stopped moving/evolving)?

midnight rain · 12-08-2012, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

So glad you're back.

lol

Mojo · 12-08-2012, 12:52 PM

Wouldnt it be safe to say that it would probably be more difficult to create something unique or 'new' now than it was in the 60s, 70s, 80s etc?

**Janszoon** · 12-08-2012, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mojopinuk

Wouldnt it be safe to say that it would probably be more difficult to create something unique or 'new' now than it was in the 60s, 70s, 80s etc?

Why would that be safe to say? There were thousands of years of human creativity prior to the 60s, it's not like they started with a blank slate.

Rock N' Roll Clown · 12-08-2012, 01:00 PM

I'll just say that the more genres there are, the more opportunities there are for combining them. For example, there are great artist combining electro/house with rock/metal. And, on the other hand, the more technology there are, the more potential there is of making good music. So, logically, the more there is, the more can be created. But is it happening? I'd say yes. Because, even not very famous, there are artist who make absolutely every kinds of music. The problem is that the most commercial music is only one style, but when it wasn't like that?

FrigginParadox · 12-08-2012, 01:53 PM

[QUOTE=Rock N' Roll Clown;1259945]I'll just say that the more genres there are, the more opportunities there are for combining them. For example, there are great artist combining electro/house with rock/metal. And, on the other hand, the more technology there are, the more potential there is of making good music. So, logically, the more there is, the more can be created. But is it happening? I'd say yes. Because, even not very famous, there are artist who make absolutely every kinds of music. The problem is that the most commercial music is only one style, but when it wasn't like that?[/QUOTE]

an example would be Deathgrips, theya re a mixed genre and its innovative... but all my friends who only listen to radio stuff think ALL hiphop is like the stuff on the radio and would never imagine anything like deathgrips to be considered "hiphop" cus its so innovative

Mojo · 12-08-2012, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Why would that be safe to say? There were thousands of years of human creativity prior to the 60s, it's not like they started with a blank slate.

I know that but personally I would have said that as music has become a bigger industry, as the way are access and are exposed to it has changed, as each new genre of music is established, the room in which to create something new that can't be categorised by the genres we have, it would likely become harder to make something that hasnt been done before.

Not impossible, just harder.

**Janszoon** · 12-08-2012, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mojopinuk

I know that but personally I would have said that as music has become a bigger industry, as the way are access and are exposed to it has changed, as each new genre of music is established, the room in which to create something new that can't be categorised by the genres we have, it would likely become harder to make something that hasnt been done before.

Not impossible, just harder.

Meh. I think the context and technology keep changing though. So there's always room for new categories.

Mojo · 12-08-2012, 01:10 PM

Well, thats true. Technology does keep changing and, as has been mentioned since my post, the more genres you have, the more room there is for them to overlap and crossover. Both very good points, in my opinion.

I really don't know. As you say though, Jans, I could be listening to something today I would file away under a certain genre but over time it could come to be considered as something else altogether. It's quite difficult to foresee.

**Janszoon** · 12-08-2012, 08:41 PM

So it's not really so much music you're talking about as rock guitar specifically.

Pursuingchange · 12-08-2012, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

So it's not really so much music you're talking about as rock guitar specifically.

Perhaps. I'm not sure. That's why I'm here. I'm confused by my own thoughts LOL. The way I rationalize it is, if rock music and guitar hasn't changed in years, then I don't see how much else has really changed. Not much IMO. Were still rehashing the same melody lines and the same approaches. To me, rock has always been THE genre. The one that comes up with all the big innovations. I think its because rock bands historically have always been boundary-pushers. But I just don't see that attitude anymore in today's music as a whole. I just don't see young John Lennons or EVH's anymore. Maybe its because the true innivators are less popular now. But if they're are not very popular, then I suppose that means that they weren't so innovative right? Because I would excpect someone who is innovative to be a household subject and highly mimicked.

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Rock N' Roll Clown Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Bulgaria Posts: 169	I'll just say that the more genres there are, the more opportunities there are for combining them. For example, there are great artist combining electro/house with rock/metal. And, on the other hand, the more technology there are, the more potential there is of making good music. So, logically, the more there is, the more can be created. But is it happening? I'd say yes. Because, even not very famous, there are artist who make absolutely every kinds of music. The problem is that the most commercial music is only one style, but when it wasn't like that? __________________

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FrigginParadox Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: NY/LA Posts: 293	[QUOTE=Rock N' Roll Clown;1259945]I'll just say that the more genres there are, the more opportunities there are for combining them. For example, there are great artist combining electro/house with rock/metal. And, on the other hand, the more technology there are, the more potential there is of making good music. So, logically, the more there is, the more can be created. But is it happening? I'd say yes. Because, even not very famous, there are artist who make absolutely every kinds of music. The problem is that the most commercial music is only one style, but when it wasn't like that?[/QUOTE] an example would be Deathgrips, theya re a mixed genre and its innovative... but all my friends who only listen to radio stuff think ALL hiphop is like the stuff on the radio and would never imagine anything like deathgrips to be considered "hiphop" cus its so innovative __________________ Sound Cloud The Nostalgic Music Timeline of Paradox Last.FM Twitter

12-08-2012, 01:10 PM	#8 (permalink)
Mojo Melancholia Eternally Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: England Posts: 5,018	Well, thats true. Technology does keep changing and, as has been mentioned since my post, the more genres you have, the more room there is for them to overlap and crossover. Both very good points, in my opinion. I really don't know. As you say though, Jans, I could be listening to something today I would file away under a certain genre but over time it could come to be considered as something else altogether. It's quite difficult to foresee. __________________ Last.FM \| Echoes and Dust

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