Has music become stagnant (stopped moving/evolving)?

**Janszoon** · 12-17-2012, 07:29 PM

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I said months ago that that's not my definition of "banter." If the regular members' standard idea of "fun" here isn't fun to others, then this is what we get, few dedicated new members. Some of the others probably think the atmosphere is deliberately hostile, and a few of the most visible usernames fuel that perception. No one is going to quickly, magically change a "close-minded" new member's opinion via criticism. Nobody here can change the facts that some other forums are nasty and that many music fans have thin skins. If nobody here wants to behave differently, then nothing is likely to change. Except me - the atmosphere is eroding my interest in starting new threads.

Maybe if you want change you should lead by example instead of sitting around complaining? Just a thought. I mean, for all your concern about how newbies are treated, I have to say I can't recall ever observing you doing anything to welcome any.

sopsych · 12-17-2012, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Maybe if you want change you should lead by example instead of sitting around complaining? Just a thought. I mean, for all your concern about how newbies are treated, I have to say I can't recall ever observing you doing anything to welcome any.

True. But I've only had one known instance of arguing with a new member. I'll check out the new members section, to see if there's anyone I might like.

Paedantic Basterd · 12-17-2012, 11:48 AM

I too have been a member of communities that haze members, to the point where the administration once interfered with the absolute thrashing of someone.

This forum is not even close to that. Not even. We're very good here, we just don't swallow closed-mindedness well.

Rjinn · 12-17-2012, 05:04 PM

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Ah, so these tag-teams sometimes are accidental. Then I must specifically ask the big-name members to usually wait a few hours to raise objections to points made by newbies. If someone else answers first, then probably don't say anything. The last thing a non-trolling new member wants is to be quickly jumped on by multiple members.

There was no tag team with the comment. Or else I would have directed it to the poster. It was just a coincidence that a few posts had the same idea to what I'd posted. It's not uncommon that posters have a similar idea especially if it makes sense on a specific subject.

sopsych · 12-18-2012, 10:03 AM

No. Legitimately hostile new members (aka trolls) should be ejected, and only moderators have anything close to any obligation to greet new members. My point is don't be needlessly hostile to new people.

**Janszoon** · 12-18-2012, 11:01 AM

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No. Legitimately hostile new members (aka trolls) should be ejected, and only moderators have anything close to any obligation to greet new members. My point is don't be needlessly hostile to new people.

I agree. In fact, I guess I'm less strict than you here, because I think before we simply "eject" a hostile new member they should be told that they're doing something wrong and given the opportunity to change their behavior.

On a side note, I think your comment about greeting new members is pretty far off the mark. Why should only mods have an obligation to greet new members? If you care about the community here, you should take the time to make sure new members feel welcome.

sopsych · 12-18-2012, 11:29 AM

Because it's an "obligation." It would be nice if other people greet legitimate new members, but that comes down to personality. If they post music threads that interest others, they'll get de facto greetings, hopefully minus hostile-seeming arguments.

**Janszoon** · 12-18-2012, 11:35 AM

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Why should only mods have an obligation to greet new members?

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Because it's an "obligation."

Neapolitan · 12-18-2012, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by sopsych

Because it's an "obligation." It would be nice if other people greet legitimate new members, but that comes down to personality. If they post music threads that interest others, they'll get de facto greetings, hopefully minus hostile-seeming arguments.

Every so often I'll greet a new member in the "Community Center: Introductions" section. But I really don't do it often, not evryone stays. The time members are active on MB varies from days, to weeks, to months, or years. And some of the people who do have an interesting introduction about themselve don't always stay. It more likely the hostile new members (aka trolls) are here until they get it out of their system or are shown the emergency exit door aka banned.

sopsych · 12-18-2012, 03:22 PM

Because no one else is a virtual employee. Standard forum practice is that non-moderators only have restrictions on their behavior, not obligations (aka duties).

12-17-2012, 11:48 AM	#3 (permalink)
Paedantic Basterd Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 5,184	I too have been a member of communities that haze members, to the point where the administration once interfered with the absolute thrashing of someone. This forum is not even close to that. Not even. We're very good here, we just don't swallow closed-mindedness well.

12-18-2012, 10:03 AM	#5 (permalink)
sopsych Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: indoors Posts: 722	No. Legitimately hostile new members (aka trolls) should be ejected, and only moderators have anything close to any obligation to greet new members. My point is don't be needlessly hostile to new people.

12-18-2012, 11:29 AM	#7 (permalink)
sopsych Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: indoors Posts: 722	Because it's an "obligation." It would be nice if other people greet legitimate new members, but that comes down to personality. If they post music threads that interest others, they'll get de facto greetings, hopefully minus hostile-seeming arguments.

12-18-2012, 03:22 PM	#10 (permalink)
sopsych Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: indoors Posts: 722	Because no one else is a virtual employee. Standard forum practice is that non-moderators only have restrictions on their behavior, not obligations (aka duties).