realtalk how can u say he wasnt weird and then bring up all the many things he went thru in his life that none of us did lol.... it feels like a counter argument to me.


weird or unique.... same thing with different spins on the words to fit into whatever narrative u want. if jacko wasn't 'weird' to you id like to know what qualifies as weird then. he personified that word.


not that it really matters but just wonderin

But the connotation of weird is not being used here in a positive way and weird is not the same as unique.

There is nothing wrong with being different from the ordinary. Our society labels people who dares to be different as weird, strange and eccentric and it needs to stop.

The fact of the matter is not one person is EXACTLY the same. We may go through similar experiences but we all are uniquely created. We all look at life differently.

Most people choose to act like everyone else in fear of being judged because there are consequences for being an individual.

Just because he was different from YOU does not mean he was "weird".

Its a very judgmental term. We all define normal differently.

Prince, because he was actually a musician. Both were great vocalists (I'd give the edge to Jacko), both were great songwriters (I'd give the edge to Prince), but MJ never played an instrument, unless you count the skin flute as an instrument. LOL just kidding, too soon?

In all seriousness, MJ is a great music artist, and to be totally honest I'm not 100% that Jackson did what he was accused of. He's obviously a very weird guy, but I think that's why he's such an easy target, and why so many people buy into it. Maybe he did molest kids, but no one will probably ever know for sure other than Michael Jackson and the alleged victims.

Michael played the piano, drums and the acoustic guitar just to name a few and just because someone is a musician doesn't necessarily make them better...

Right, and just because someone played piano a few times, it doesn't mean they're a good musician.

Not that I was actually saying that Prince was only better because he's a musician, I just think his music is on the overall better. I think being a better musician is part of what makes him better, and like I said, I think he's a better songwriter as well. I think Jacko wrote some good songs, but none of them were as good as "Purple Rain" or "Let's Go Crazy".

That is very true but I just wanted to point out that he did play instruments since you said he did not.

And he did not play the piano just a few times. He came up with some of his songs by playing instruments to come up with song lyrics and composition. He also used his mouth and beat box to come up with song compositions as well which is something I think is more creative than just playing mulitiple instruments but that's my opinion.

That's hilarious. By your logic, it is impossible for anyone to be weird. Ever.

Gotcha.

Well, it's pretty well established by this point that you're a Mike apologist, and that's fine, but you clearly have not watched many prince concerts. You can be an amazing dancer without choreographing "routines" or having background dancers dancing in sync with you. James Brown is a perfect example (ever see him dance?). Mike was definitely all about the routine and he was the best at that, hands down.

Prince was an amazing dancer in his prime, but his focus was on the music and the show as a whole, with a cast of other characters. Mike was all about Mike, which is fine. To each their own.

This is an easy victory for Prince in my opinion. His best makes Michael Jackson's best kind of embarrassing.

Seriously? You really think beat-boxing with your mouth requires more creativity than being a multi-instrumentalist?

And just to be clear...I am NOT claiming Prince is a better dancer than Mike, just that the supposed gulf between them is not really there. It was always more of a focus for Mike, and where he spent the majority of his focus for his career and stage shows.

He is weird to you because you don't perceive his interests or behavior as "normal" but the truth is everyone defines normal differently.

Everyone doesn't behave or act the way you do.

So you mean to tell me everyone that is different from you, you call weird?

I don't call people I don't understand "weird".

Instead I try to take the time to understand them.

What creativity is involved in being a musician? I always thought that was the physical aspect of being a recording artist, whereas creativity is more of the cerebral aspect of it, since you're creating music, you're creating lyrics, melodies, etc.

You obviously prefer Prince and thats fine.... because there is no way no how Prince was a great dancer like you are implying lol

Ive seen his concerts and his dancing mostly consists of splits (in his prime of course but he eventually stopped that because of his hip surgery around the 90s) and he is no where on the same level as far as showmanship/dancing as Jame Brown.

Like I said I love Prince... probably not as much as MJ lol but I do love and respect him greatly. I collect his music and watch his videos and concerts etc. I am actually really upset because I REALLY want to go see him at Essence but it's all booked.

MJ apologist? What exactly do you mean by that? I can still be a MJ fan and still like other artists. What does that have to do with this discussion? I am just tired of people minimizing MJ's abilities and casting him as just an entertainer when he wasn't JUST that. He was an ARTIST, he was a SONGWRITER, he was a PRODUCER, he played INSTRUMENTS, he was INNOVATIVE, he was ARTISTIC, he was a VISIONARY. I am tired of people categorizing him into a box just because he didn't play 50 million instruments.


How do you know that I have never seen a Prince concert or watched any of his concerts?

Also, there is PLENTY of footage of MJ on stage BY HIS SELF entertaining the crowd. So please stop with the "he needed back up dancers and routines"

Clearly you have not seen a MJ concert or a concert where he was with his brothers. All his moves he did in concert when he was on stage by his self were not "rehearsed" and actually were free styled.

Michaels focus was on his MUSIC, PERFORMANCES and MUSIC VIDEOS collectively.

Prince primary focus was on his MUSIC which is why his music videos are not that good. Also, Prince is good but he has some filler music especially over this last decade. I am not sure what has happened with his music.

Exactly...


Just because you are a musician doesn't necessarily make you creative or even artistic.

I was speaking in the context of the debate (Prince v. Michael Jackson) and I stand by what I said. Prince's ability to compose on multiple instruments far outstrips Michael Jackson's supposed beat box symphonies. I don't think there's even a competition between the musicality of the two but arguing Michael Jackson's way is more "creative" is glorifying laziness.

Well I already stated that Prince is obviously the better musician.

I mean that kinda goes without saying lol

However

I just find it more fascinating how people can use other things besides instruments to come up with composition and sound. Everyone can not do that in a creative and artistic way.


Prince is obviously a very creative and artistic artist.

However

I have seen many musicians that I didn't think were that creative so being a musician does not necessarily make someone more creative than someone who isn't.







If you guys are going to watch the video can you please watch the entire video before making your opinion? lol Pretty please even if you don't like MJ. I think it is important because he goes into details how he makes his songs. Here are some different clips of MJ beat boxing and coming up with sounds.


I don't know about anyone else here but I think its very cool how someone can come up with compositions to their songs by using their mouth which requires creativity and a sense of sound, timing, and other things a musician also has to consider as well when composing a song.

I personally think that requires talent to do and is much more intricate than just "retarded" spitting as you say.

How is that glorifying laziness??????

I think it is glorifying a new way to come up with sound and composition.

You do not necessarily need an instrument to do that.

Prince asked me to post this for the people naysaying his moves:

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You could argue that it's more creative because it's improvising. No one's saying his way of coming up with melody or rhythm is more creative, but calling Prince more creative because he can play an instrument, as you're implying, is like calling Thom Yorke a better athlete than Michael Jordan because he wrote Kid A.

Thats not even worth comparing to Michael Jackson dancing talent.

Prince is a performer not a dancer...yea there is a difference.

I never understood this comparison. It's like comparing a bedroom to a dance floor.

Is it because they're both flamboyant stars who wear costumes?

Hey Serious, I posted the gif because it's funny, nothing more.

I don't know. I think most of Michael Jackson's talent lied as a performer. That said, he puts so much energy into it which made him enjoyable to watch. The dude made speed seem like a sleeping tablet.

But he put the same amount of energy in his music and songwriting too.

I think he is incredibly underrated as an overall artist and singer.

It is possible to be great at both which he was...

I think people compare them because they were two of the biggest male pop stars of the 80's and early 90's.

The media also puts them up against one another as well alot so people assume there was some sort of rivalry between the two.

In reality MJ and Prince were really big fans of one another.

Prince called MJ a genius and said he motivated him. He has even defend him publicly. MJ attended Prince concerts and greatly admired him and Prince inspired him.

Prince covers MJ songs and Jackson 5 songs at his concerts all the time even while MJ was alive.


They hung out a few times and Prince was suppose to appear on Michael's "BAD" album because MJ really wanted to work him but Prince eventually decline and told MJ it would be a hit without him.


I am not sure why people compare them. They are apples and oranges.

I'm pretty sure they're musicians.

Didn't they record a song together?

MJ all the way! To be fair I've never really given Prince much of a chance, but Michael as an entertainer, musician, songwriter, dancer...just phenomenal.

The only way to entertain some people is to listen to them.

When Michael had recorded "We Are The World" he asked Prince to be apart of the song but for whatever reason Prince declined too. The song featured a number of different artists and the money made for the song was donated to Africa.

Michael then asked Prince to be a feature on his BAD album. He wanted Prince to appear in his BAD video and wanted him to be featured on the song.

Here is a video where Prince talks about this to Chris Rock

The reason people thought they were rivals was because of the rumor that Bad was dissing Prince because he turned him down for being a feature.

The rumor started in the early 80's (1983) and BAD was released in 1987.

What started the rumor then?

The media started it.


MJ and Prince were two of the biggest male pop stars at the time. They were both talented, both won awards, both were constantly on radio and tv, both were handsome, and both very popular at the time.


The media pinned them against one another. There are many many publications during this period that compares them and questions which one is better.

These are 1983 publications

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Prince would kick his ass in all fairness.

I don't know. I think MJ was a hell of a lot taller than Prince.

And hes got ****load of backup too.

Height doesn't mean crap.

He would have just crumbled like a log.

That's a pretty weird choice of simile. When I think "log" I think of something heavy and unyielding.

Michael Jackson was an entertainment machine.