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Black Francis 03-27-2014 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy (Post 1432001)
Yep, and Prince played tons of instruments and wrote all of his songs.

But Mj played his crotch..

And c'mon, just cause prince can play a ton of instruments it doesn't make him better than MJ, i saw 'This is it' and saw MJ as a white zombie girl all worn out still trying to pull of being MJ, and he was involved in the musical arrangements of the song, telling the guitarist what to do in some parts but also encouraging their own input.

Do ppl forget MJ has been in the music business ever since he was kid!?

He knows about music, aight? it's no fluke he was the king of pop!
So why does prince get more musician's cred than Mj? cause he can play more instruments than Mj? that's bullsh*t cause even if he does, MJ made better songs that had more of an impact in society than Prince.

Soulflower 03-27-2014 11:47 AM

Prince did not write all his songs or played every single instrument in ALL his songs.

YorkeDaddy 03-27-2014 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Francis (Post 1432035)
But Mj played his crotch..

And c'mon, just cause prince can play a ton of instruments it doesn't make him better than MJ, i saw 'This is it' and saw MJ as a white zombie girl all worn out still trying to pull of being MJ, and he was involved in the musical arrangements of the song, telling the guitarist what to do in some parts but also encouraging their own input.

Do ppl forget MJ has been in the music business ever since he was kid!?

He knows about music, aight? it's no fluke he was the king of pop!
So why does prince get more musician's cred than Mj? cause he can play more instruments than Mj? that's bullsh*t cause even if he does, MJ made better songs that had more of an impact in society than Prince.

I've been writing songs since I was a kid, does that mean I'm the best too?!?!?

Black Francis 03-27-2014 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy (Post 1432112)
I've been writing songs since I was a kid, does that mean I'm the best too?!?!?

Not unless you can play like a 100 thousand instruments like Prince.. >_>

YorkeDaddy 03-27-2014 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Francis (Post 1432115)
Not unless you can play like a 100 thousand instruments like Prince.. >_>

Damn, I can only play two. But apparently that doesn't matter so I'm officially an equal musician to Prince. Hell yeah!!

Black Francis 03-27-2014 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy (Post 1432117)
Damn, I can only play two. But apparently that doesn't matter so I'm officially an equal musician to Prince. Hell yeah!!

lol :p:

it does matter to some extent but it's not the defining factor that makes you a good musician.

And that's the whole point man, it's not how many instruments you can play but rather how many ppl liked your songs and the influence your musical career has had on the music industry and pop culture.

YorkeDaddy 03-27-2014 02:15 PM

"How many people liked your songs"?

So does that mean Celine Dion is like the sixth or seventh greatest artist of all-time?

Well, I'll tell you one thing, The Colour of My Love really gets my tearducts working, know what I'm sayin'?

Black Francis 03-27-2014 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy (Post 1432123)
"How many people liked your songs"?

So does that mean Celine Dion is like the sixth or seventh greatest artist of all-time?

Well, I'll tell you one thing, The Colour of My Love really gets my tearducts working, know what I'm sayin'?

Dude it makes more sense to me to measure them by achievements rather than how many instruments they can play.

I would say Prince, YES it's arguably a better musician than MJ because he mastered a couple of instruments, but Mj though not a strong musician as prince is a better entertainer.

And the thing is MJ knew how to arrange songs just like prince, they both had that knowledge

Carpe Mortem 03-27-2014 02:33 PM

Michael Jackson also gave us at least a decade of pedophilia and 'black boy turned white woman' jokes to laugh about. So for that, I thank him.

Black Francis 03-27-2014 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Carpe Mortem (Post 1432129)
Michael Jackson also gave us at least a decade of pedophilia and 'black boy turned white woman' jokes to laugh about. So for that, I thank him.

Meanwhile Prince is alive running a cult and fooling ppl he is a musical genius just so he can nail his female followers.

Carpe Mortem 03-27-2014 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Francis (Post 1432130)
Meanwhile Prince is alive running a cult and fooling ppl he is a musical genius just so he can nail his female followers.

Haha.... maybe you see that as a bad thing. I see it as so :pimp:

Black Francis 03-27-2014 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Carpe Mortem (Post 1432133)
Haha.... maybe you see that as a bad thing. I see it as so :pimp:

He is such a filthy perv but he's got that sensitive jerk thing going for him and ladiez love it. ;)

I remember seeing Purple Rain and seeing him lick girls when he kissed them, that kinda shocked me a bit cause i was fairly young when i saw that movie lol

YorkeDaddy 03-27-2014 03:40 PM

ummmmm so trying to get as much poon as possible is comparable to trying to **** as many little kids as possible?

Black Francis 03-27-2014 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy (Post 1432156)
ummmmm so trying to get as much poon as possible is comparable to trying to **** as many little kids as possible?

Nope, that observation has nothing to do with their music, it's just an observation on their public behavior outside of music.

YorkeDaddy 03-27-2014 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Francis (Post 1432158)
Nope, that observation has nothing to do with their music, it's just an observation on their public behavior outside of music.

Well Carpe made a comment on MJ's past and you responded with "Meanwhile Prince is alive running a cult and fooling ppl he is a musical genius just so he can nail his female followers." so it's pretty natural to assume that you were replying with something that you found was equally detestable and I was understandably shocked!!!

Black Francis 03-27-2014 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy (Post 1432170)
Well Carpe made a comment on MJ's past and you responded with "Meanwhile Prince is alive running a cult and fooling ppl he is a musical genius just so he can nail his female followers." so it's pretty natural to assume that you were replying with something that you found was equally detestable and I was understandably shocked!!!

haha no, it doesn't bother me Prince gets all the ladies :p:

it didn't even bother me Mj molested kids they're not my kids. lol

Plus he didn't seem like the full on rape type of pedo, he seemed more like the awkward handjob kinda pedo.

Carpe Mortem 03-27-2014 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Francis (Post 1432178)
haha no, it doesn't bother me Prince gets all the ladies :p:

it didn't even bother me Mj molested kids they're not my kids. lol

Plus he didn't seem like the full on rape type of pedo, he seemed more like the awkward handjob kinda pedo
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You're one of my favorite people here. :beer:

Soulflower 03-27-2014 09:22 PM

Sooner or later this thread was bound to get derailed...

Stonedtone 03-29-2014 03:21 PM

I don't get the compare. Prince is a legend. There is no comparison

hate paper doll 06-01-2014 06:26 PM

Prince, totally. I'll go ahead and agree that MJ is the superior entertainer but he's not nearly as talented. Thriller, Billie Jean, Smooth Criminal - they're all good songs but IMO the videos are what most of MJ's legacy is all about and he wasn't the one creating them. On the other hand Prince's songs don't need the visuals - and he's written classics for other people too.



frogooner 06-02-2014 07:08 AM

Harggh! Would have loved to see MJ involved in a non pop record.
I can rememberer his vocal aggressivity on tracks like Jam and other...
To me it was as shilling as some Tom Waits stuff.

Can you imagine him singing about something truly personal using that voice instead of pretending that he wants to save the world... Even a freakish theme.... I think we would be close to proper artistry. There can be no denial that he had it all... Prince made more with his ability and also got a good few pop hits.


Djduff738 06-02-2014 08:57 AM

:beer:
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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ? (Post 1293019)
I prefer the little purple bastard.


Liberian Girl 06-02-2014 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by frogooner (Post 1456152)
Can you imagine him singing about something truly personal using that voice instead of pretending that he wants to save the world... Even a freakish theme.... I think we would be close to proper artistry.

Actually, in the 90's MJ's music became more personal, especially in HIStory album. Stranger In Moscow for example is a song about his loneliness, 2 Bad talks about all those people who attacked him as well as Money and many other songs. I think he would go on like that from then on, but unluckily he was limited by his discography during the early 00's. In fact he also sang about his private life even in the 80's (especially Price of Fame and I also find Abortion Papers very interesting) but these songs didn't come out at that time.

I don't know what you mean by freakish but I recommend you to give it a listen to Morphine, Superfly Sister or even HIStory, in case you don't know them.

As regards the thread, I chose MJ of course. I really admire Prince and I think his unknown songs are far better than his hits. I mean, he's got many songs much better than When Doves Cry, Kiss or Purple Rain. Kiss especially is too much overrated (so is When Doves Cry).

On the other hand, I just love MJ's music. I love those unknown songs such as Monkey Business, We've Had Enough, Al Capone, Work That Body. Not to mention his hits.

They just had different skills, one plays better while the other dances better but what's important to me is that both were very original composers (yes, MJ did compose his songs) and I admire them both (although I like more MJ's music by far).

Jade_City 06-02-2014 11:24 AM

Prince was always a bit more different than MJ, I prefer the more funk sound Prince has

skeetz 06-27-2014 09:26 AM

Michael Jackson has billie jean and thriller but does he have raspberry beret.... I didn't think so.

Franco Pepe Kalle 10-03-2014 10:37 PM

Michael Jackson and Prince were friends. In fact MJ went to some Prince shows to do his would have been tribute tour.

Soulflower 10-03-2014 10:48 PM

Friends is a bit of an exaggeration but they actually liked and respected each other contrary to the media feud that was perpetuated. There was a friendly rivalry between the two but they really admired each other.

MJ did attend a few of Prince shows and Prince covers a lot of MJ/Jackson 5 material in his live shows.

MJ really wanted to work with Prince on the BAD album but Prince declined and said that it would be a hit record without him. They had a few meetings, played some ping pong and chatted it up.

Both are legends but we already know who the KANG is!

Urban Hat€monger ? 10-03-2014 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Soulflower (Post 1493234)

Both are legends but we already know who the KANG is!

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Soulflower 10-04-2014 01:34 AM

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Driveway Symphony 04-15-2015 10:45 AM

I prefer MJ. They each are there own thing going.

gsrox 04-15-2015 06:11 PM

Michael Jackson for the length of discography. Prince is a genius unto himself though.

Cuthbert 04-16-2015 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by gsrox (Post 1577348)
Michael Jackson for the length of discography. Prince is a genius unto himself though.

:confused:

Prince has about 30 odd albums? Or do you mean timespan?

EDIT - Even timespan doesn't work, MJ released his first solo album in 1971 and his last in 2001 - 30 years. You can add another two years if you're counting Jackson 5 albums.

Prince released his first album in 1978 and his most recent in 2014 - 38 years.

Soulflower 04-16-2015 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by monkeytennis (Post 1577476)
:confused:

Prince has about 30 odd albums? Or do you mean timespan?

EDIT - Even timespan doesn't work, MJ released his first solo album in 1971 and his last in 2001 - 30 years. You can add another two years if you're counting Jackson 5 albums.

Prince released his first album in 1978 and his most recent in 2014 - 38 years.


Good point

Prince released way more albums than Michael but imo Michael has more classics.

Psychoniff 08-10-2015 06:19 AM

Having thoroughly examined MJ's catalogue it's hard not to think what genius many of compositions are that he wrote, composed, arranged and produced (exceptions include "Rock With You", "Off The Wall", "She's Out Of My Life", "Thriller", "Human Nature", "P.Y.T.", "Man In The Mirror", "You Are Not Alone" among others). As a songwriter he was brilliant at evoking pathos to communicate and translate to his audience the feel of every word. His use of different writing styles such as dramatic prose to create tension and suspense in songs such as "Who Is It" and "Billie Jean", narrative/storytelling to unravel tales metaphorical of his own life experiences in songs like "Price Of Fame" and "Heartbreak Hotel", monologues/soliloquies to reveal inner turmoil and contradictions in songs such "Dangerous" and "Will You Be There", and stream-of-consciousness to evoke a sense of urgency and desperation in songs like "Jam" and "Tabloid Junkie". He also covered many themes in his lyrics from the femme fatale is tales such "Dirty Diana" to more serious socially-conscious anthems from the Cold War-era inspired " Be Not Always", ecological destruction in "Earth Song" to anti-war sentiments in "We've Had Enough". He also employed other nifty tricks to enhanced the listening experience or advantage or coda the the song's narrative like spoken raps, rapping, beatboxing (including as part of arrangements) and scat singing. Just listen to the first 20 songs and realise how vast the genres, styles, themes and overall soundscapes and production are:


Billie Jean
This Place Hotel
Don't Stop Til' You Get Enough
Smooth Criminal
Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'
Morphine
Stranger Moscow
Earth Song
Another Part Of Me
Jam
Dirty Diana
In The Back
They Don't Care About Us
Who Is It
That's What You Get (For Being Polite)
Will You Be There
Workin' Day and Night
Give In To Me
Money
Little Susie
Sunset Driver
Is It Scary
Ghosts
Blues Away
Blood On The Dance Floor
Can You Feel It
Things I Do For You
Shake Your Body
Dangerous
Black or White
Remember The Time
She Drives Me Wild
Can't Let Her Get Away
We Are Here To Change World
In The Closet
State of Shock
Superfly Sister
Tabloid Junkie
Beat It
Cheater
Price Of Fame
Be Not Always
Push Me Away
Bless His Soul
Childhood
Sacred Of The Moon
Much Too Soon
Destiny
HiStory
D.S.
Bad
The Way You Make Me Feel
The Girl Is Mine
2Bad
Mind Is The Magic
This Time Around
Liberian Girl
Leave Me Alone
Streetwalker
Abortion Papers
Serious Effect
Someone Put Your Hand Out
Do You Know Where Your Children Are
Monkey Business
I Just Can't Stop Loving You
Fly Away
Free
I'm So Blue
Men In Black
Loving You
Whatever Happens
Shout
We've Had Enough
Behind The Mask
Give It Up
Lovely One
Walk Right Now
Everybody
Got The Hots
All Night Dancin'

Prince Songs:
1999
Controversy
Darling Nikki
Little Red Corvette
Let's Go Crazy
I wanna Be Your Lover
Purple Rain
Kiss
Paisley Park
Dirty Mind
When Doves Cry
Sign o' the Times

Mr. Charlie 08-10-2015 07:13 AM

Both are brilliant.

banger 08-11-2015 04:07 AM

Its like comparing Messi and Ronaldo
Has to be Micheal. Hes the Messi of the music world.

helew 04-26-2016 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by blackboab (Post 1301841)
comparing prince to michael jackson is like comparing the beatles to the monkees ..i am amazed sometimes that on a music forum..a place where you would think most people would have some knowledge of music that they think you can compare these two ?..
if we are talking musical talent...prince is a million miles ahead of mj...lets have a look at what he brings to the table..
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prince is a multi instrumentalist...to the highest standard..one of the greatest guitar players in the world(ask eric clapton or steve vai how good he is)...add to that a brilliant bass player and great on the drums and keyboards..

prince has written and produced some of the best songs of the 20th century...in rolling stones 500 greatest songs of all time...prince wrote more of them than anyone else..bar lennon and mccartney...

his live performances are considered some of the greatest ever seen..and he remains a huge concert draw as his 21 nights in london and la recently have proved..

his influence on modern music can be heard everywhere..and he is a true musician's musician with almost everyone who works in music recognising his huge talent.

he was the first artist to release an album via the internet in 1997 (one of the first to see that record companies were finished in the internet age)...after he freed himself from the control of record companies and has remained free from record company control ever since .

he has written 8 us number one singles..had around 25 top tens singles and had more hits than any other artist between 1980 and 1999....add to that 5 number one albums and a dozen top ten entries and around 100 million album sales...mj clearly sold far more than prince but prince is one the most successful artists of all time just on sales alone..

michael jackson was a huge media star with a great voice and some songwriting talent but its also interesting to note that his most successful album was mainly written by other people...he was a talent but in no way does his musical talent compare to prince..



LOL why are you so retarded?....Michael Jackson's songs are listenable by everyone...most of prince's songs dont appeal to the wider audience..its more an acquired taste. Its easy to determine whos greater...You will simply have to ask third world countries about these 2 and i guarantee you..GUARANTEE...that they wont even know who prince is...but they will know who MJ is. Prince is certainly a great entertainer and is immensely popular but hes nothing 0 compared to MJ. So i dont know what nonsense your talking about when your implying prince is this huge global phenomenon and is better and greater than MJ....you have brain dmg im sorry. Its like saying Floydmayweather is the greatest of all time and not Ali...yes hes 49-0 but hes nowhere close to being as great as ali...Thats the same kind of **** ur pulling here with your nonsensical banter about being a multi- instrumentalist and what not...rubbish. Boxing = Ali Golf = Tiger woods and im sorry to disappoint your garbage statement but MUSIC = MJ....your a minority vote in this comparison.

DriveYourCarDownToTheSea 04-26-2016 04:38 PM

That post was 3 years old.

Zhanteimi 04-26-2016 05:23 PM

MJ for the masses. Prince for me on a deserted island.


Edit: ****. Got caught in a necro'd thread.

Frownland 04-26-2016 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by helew (Post 1693493)
LOL why are you so retarded?....Michael Jackson's songs are listenable by everyone...most of prince's songs dont appeal to the wider audience..its more an acquired taste. Its easy to determine whos greater...You will simply have to ask third world countries about these 2 and i guarantee you..GUARANTEE...that they wont even know who prince is...but they will know who MJ is. Prince is certainly a great entertainer and is immensely popular but hes nothing 0 compared to MJ. So i dont know what nonsense your talking about when your implying prince is this huge global phenomenon and is better and greater than MJ....you have brain dmg im sorry. Its like saying Floydmayweather is the greatest of all time and not Ali...yes hes 49-0 but hes nowhere close to being as great as ali...Thats the same kind of **** ur pulling here with your nonsensical banter about being a multi- instrumentalist and what not...rubbish. Boxing = Ali Golf = Tiger woods and im sorry to disappoint your garbage statement but MUSIC = MJ....your a minority vote in this comparison.

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