Necromancer

No sir .. I was referring to Aerosmith's drug use during the recording of the album Get yor Wings at that particular time in the 70s. Their personal lives were pretty much in shambles. Their use of drugs were causing most of their personal problems at home, as well as with the band too. In comparison to the influence of drug use while recording and producing all of their other albums anyway.

Get your Wings is one of my personal favorite albums by Aerosmith mainly because of sentimental reasons (memories). And Tyler's vocal style. Much lower vocal range used on the album, more so than a lot of his better known and popular material.

Honestly, I havent listened to Draw the Line in Years. It's now an album I want to pick up, Thanks. Whats up with Jack Douglas?

Unknown Soldier

But all this still actually describes the band during the recording of Draw the Line, what you describe is a well known fact that the band were in pieces and drugs had taken over completely and this happened at the time of Draw the Line. I never realised it happened on their second album Get Your Wings as well.

I mentioned Jack Douglas, because when they started working with him as producer the band quickly headed in the fast lane and it was the birth of one of those famous producer artist relationships.

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Luckily, like Trollheart, I don´t often swap musical opinions outside MB, and don´t worry much about whether an opinion is genuine or copied.

A parallel issue for me, though, is about movies from books. Occasionally when I hear someone say, "Oh, I love Lord of the Rings ", I wonder if they´ve only seen the movie, but are hoping to get a bit of un-earned credit for having read the book too. Also bugs me when people enthuse about a movie without realising that it´s based a book.

^ Actually, you can often pick up this "not-the-popular-material" swagger from the artists themselves. Hendrix was pretty scathing about Purple Haze. Neil Young said that "Tonight´s The Night", one of his poorest selling albums, was the one he was most proud of and Roger Waters dismayed a legion of enthusiasts when he dismissed the Floyd material before Dark Side of the Moon as rubbish.

Well, how wrong can you be, Roger !? In fact, instead of taking the artist´s usual route of denouncing their best-seller, RW seemed to imagine that the slick, over-polished pop-rock of Dark Side of the Moon was somehow better than the earlier ground-breaking, experimental albums; something which leads me on to Urban´s comment:-

I suspect that "bands running out of ideas" happens more often than we may care to imagine, and may be the catalyst for the obligatory descent into drugs and booze. Lack of ideas may also be responsible for this syndrome, which maybe other people have noticed :-

After about three robust, original albums a band comes up with something that is over-subtle and over-thought. OK, it´s not always album number four, but I´m thinking that Steely Dan (with Royal Scam ), Kraftwerk (with everything after Autobahn ), Yes (Topographic Oceans) and Pink Floyd (Meddle) have all made this mistake. What is it with these bands, that suddenly they´re too sophisticated to produce anything as vulgar as a riff or hook line ?

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I can even bring an 80's Pop example that crashed and burned because of that. Missing Persons, filled with high-level talent, had one sharp New Wave Pop album in 1982, but after that things went south when they let the tech take over with their second album which ditched their immediate appeal. The single that announced the second album, "Give", was very bland in a way that you can hear the talent but miss the energy. I was not expecting another Spring Session M, but this was the case of trying too hard to prove the musicianship and slickness by focusing on being up to date with the instrument tech. This was a mega mistake a number of bands did in trying to "go serious" by throwing out the energy that caused many to take notice in the first place with some keeping some of the knack for hooks but filling a lot of spaces with over-serious aims especially in an 80's that was expanding on the tech and the media but losing the intensity. Mind, that approach led to a few "Cult Classics", but most of them were cut-out bin ready by the time of release, and the nature of listeners of Pop Bands lets them know in quick time when they lost the connection.

Necromancer

I understood what you were saying before. I was just pointing out that Gets you Wings was the breaking point. They had to do something about their problem then and there, or it could've all been over for the band Aerosmith.