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Scotty The Rebel 05-21-2013 07:43 PM

Canada vs. USA
 
Canada vs. USA... Musically speaking, which country do ya got?

Neapolitan 05-21-2013 07:49 PM

Honestly I would go with New Zealand.

ladyislingering 05-21-2013 07:49 PM

As much as I particularly love Californian artists, I've got to say neither.

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Urban Hat€monger ? 05-21-2013 07:52 PM

Canada vs Azerbaijan would be a much fairer fight.

Scotty The Rebel 05-21-2013 07:53 PM

Bring the crap on!

LoathsomePete 05-21-2013 07:58 PM

I might be biased just because I'm from there, but I have a really deep seeded love for a lot of Canadian artists. I mean if there was some kind of objective way we could measure quality I'm sure the US would win by sheer fact that there's a vast difference in population.

Canada is kind of funny with their perception of themselves from a cultural world view. We know it's pretty hard to compete with the US for cultural influence, so instead we try to make it a little easier for people to gain cultural fame within our own borders. For example, the Government of Canada gives out grants to developing musicians in order to help them get studio time (I don't know the exact specifics of the grant) and it seems all the band has to do is mention that the album was helped funded by that grant. There's also the Canadian Radio Content rule, which dictates that every 10th song played on a music station be a Canadian band. It creates funny situations wherein bands like The Tragically Hip are legends in Canada, but they play at a dingy bar in San Francisco on a Tuesday night.

Neapolitan 05-21-2013 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Scotty The Rebel (Post 1322300)
Bring the crap on!

Hank Snow was the greatest Country artist ever... and he was Canadian.

Burning Down 05-21-2013 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by LoathsomePete (Post 1322301)
I might be biased just because I'm from there, but I have a really deep seeded love for a lot of Canadian artists. I mean if there was some kind of objective way we could measure quality I'm sure the US would win by sheer fact that there's a vast difference in population.

Canada is kind of funny with their perception of themselves from a cultural world view. We know it's pretty hard to compete with the US for cultural influence, so instead we try to make it a little easier for people to gain cultural fame within our own borders. For example, the Government of Canada gives out grants to developing musicians in order to help them get studio time (I don't know the exact specifics of the grant) and it seems all the band has to do is mention that the album was helped funded by that grant. There's also the Canadian Radio Content rule, which dictates that every 10th song played on a music station be a Canadian band. It creates funny situations wherein bands like The Tragically Hip are legends in Canada, but they play at a dingy bar in San Francisco on a Tuesday night.

Yeah I was just going to say the same thing. Very few Canadian artists make it big on the American stage, or even the global stage. Rush is probably the only one I can think of.

Scotty The Rebel 05-21-2013 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1322302)
Hank Snow was the greatest Country artist ever... and he was Canadian.

Now that is crap, but I did say bring the crap on.

LoathsomePete 05-21-2013 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Burning Down (Post 1322304)
Yeah I was just going to say the same thing. Very few Canadian artists make it big on the American stage, or even the global stage. Rush is probably the only one I can think of.

In terms of global recognition from both mainstream and alternative outlets I'd say Rush is probably our ambassador, but I think a few other groups have infiltrated their ways into importance within specific genres. I definitely think the indie scene wouldn't be where it is today without Arcade Fire, and then there's VoiVod for metal. D.O.A was instrumental for hardcore punk and then there's also Neil Young. Hell, Corb Lund is really starting to catch onto the country music circuit down here.

More make it through the veil then you think, I just wish more people would peer through.

Scotty The Rebel 05-21-2013 08:18 PM

Canada's musical ambassador to America is Neil Young.

Burning Down 05-21-2013 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by LoathsomePete (Post 1322312)
In terms of global recognition from both mainstream and alternative outlets I'd say Rush is probably our ambassador, but I think a few other groups have infiltrated their ways into importance within specific genres. I definitely think the indie scene wouldn't be where it is today without Arcade Fire, and then there's VoiVod for metal. D.O.A was instrumental for hardcore punk and then there's also Neil Young. Hell, Corb Lund is really starting to catch onto the country music circuit down here.

More make it through the veil then you think, I just wish more people would peer through.

I would also say The Band, thanks to Ronnie Hawkins and Bob Dylan. Can't believe I forgot about them.

Neapolitan 05-21-2013 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Scotty The Rebel (Post 1322307)
Now that is crap, but I did say bring the crap on.

You're in a losing battle man you just don't see it.

Hank Snow, read em and weep


... fyi Anne Murray is better than Dolly Parton and Gordon Lightfoot is better than Willie Nelson.

Dark Horse 05-21-2013 08:33 PM

Canada has tons of great bands. Boards of Canada, of Montreal, the list just goes on.

Alright alright I'm sorry for that one

Scarlett O'Hara 05-21-2013 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1322296)
Honestly I would go with New Zealand.

:love:

You are awesome.

Scarlett O'Hara 05-21-2013 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Burning Down (Post 1322304)
Yeah I was just going to say the same thing. Very few Canadian artists make it big on the American stage, or even the global stage. Rush is probably the only one I can think of.

Justin Bieber. :laughing:

djchameleon 05-21-2013 08:45 PM

Isn't Nickelback from up there also?

Alfred 05-21-2013 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1322327)
Isn't Nickelback from up there also?

Yeah but you have Creed and Hootie & The Blowfish, so it evens out.

Burning Down 05-21-2013 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla (Post 1322324)
Justin Bieber. :laughing:

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1322327)
Isn't Nickelback from up there also?

Justin Bieber and Nickelback are mere shitstains on the fabric of the Canadian music industry.

Scarlett O'Hara 05-21-2013 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Burning Down (Post 1322336)
Justin Bieber and Nickelback are mere shitstains on the fabric of the Canadian music industry.

:love:

So true bb. Throw Avril Lavienge in that category too.

Burning Down 05-21-2013 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla (Post 1322339)
:love:

So true bb. Throw Avril Lavienge in that category too.

Oh yeah, lol. And she's getting married to their ugly singer Chad Kroeger like this month or next. She was also married to Deryck Whibley of that mediocre band Sum 41. I used to be so obsessed with her when I was in 7th grade.

LoathsomePete 05-21-2013 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Horse (Post 1322321)
Canada has tons of great bands. Boards of Canada, of Montreal, the list just goes on.

Alright alright I'm sorry for that one

Of Montreal are from Georgia (the state, not the country)

Dark Horse 05-21-2013 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by LoathsomePete (Post 1322345)
Of Montreal are from Georgia (the state, not the country)

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/...atsthejoke.jpg

Look up where BoC are from

Scarlett O'Hara 05-21-2013 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Burning Down (Post 1322342)
Oh yeah, lol. And she's getting married to their ugly singer Chad Kroeger like this month or next. She was also married to Deryck Whibley of that mediocre band Sum 41. I used to be so obsessed with her when I was in 7th grade.

I liked her music when she first came out, but I was in high school and so did everyone else. I like her hair to be fair. But yuck, who could marry the ugliest person in rock?

LoathsomePete 05-21-2013 09:21 PM

Ah, the folly of digital communication. Sorry I ruined your joke

Necromancer 05-21-2013 09:23 PM

John Kay is one of my all-time front men. Steppenwolf is a "kinda" Canadian-American rock group that has made a prominent influence on rock music.

Burning Down 05-21-2013 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla (Post 1322349)
I liked her music when she first came out, but I was in high school and so did everyone else. I like her hair to be fair. But yuck, who could marry the ugliest person in rock?

I know right? He's just so odd looking.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ln...enfro1_400.jpg

Scarlett O'Hara 05-21-2013 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by LoathsomePete (Post 1322351)
Ah, the folly of digital communication. Sorry I ruined your joke

:laughing:

They probably just skype and get their lighting real perfect.

djchameleon 05-22-2013 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Alfred (Post 1322328)
Yeah but you have Creed and Hootie & The Blowfish, so it evens out.

Lol fair enough with Creed but Darius Rucker is a legend and doing well in the country scene now.

Dark Horse 05-22-2013 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Burning Down (Post 1322355)
I know right? He's just so odd looking.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ln...enfro1_400.jpg

After looking at this for a while I realized that I wanted to see how many Nickelback lyrics I could fit on Chad's forehead. Times font, deleting all repeated phrases.

http://i.imgur.com/KevIONs.jpg

Several verses. Not bad.

hip hop bunny hop 05-23-2013 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by LoathsomePete (Post 1322312)
In terms of global recognition from both mainstream and alternative outlets I'd say Rush is probably our ambassador, but I think a few other groups have infiltrated their ways into importance within specific genres. I definitely think the indie scene wouldn't be where it is today without Arcade Fire, and then there's VoiVod for metal. D.O.A was instrumental for hardcore punk and then there's also Neil Young. Hell, Corb Lund is really starting to catch onto the country music circuit down here.

Two points:

1. Corb Lund is a genuinely fun country musician.

2. You're forgetting the importance of Blasphemy to the black metal scene. You can hardly go to a metal forum without seeing "rbce" (ross bay cult eternal), or discussions of war/bestial black metal. Christ, one of their biggest worship bands (Black Witchery) have somehow become popular to the point I've had several people, in Montana, start conversations with me about the band.

Surell 05-24-2013 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Scotty The Rebel (Post 1322313)
Canada's musical ambassador to America is Neil Young.

At the same time, though, Neil Young is a very Americana type of artist, and roots himself in a lot of American culture (Lincolns, baseball, country music). Of course his folkiness and mystique seem thoroughly Canadian to me.

Neapolitan 05-24-2013 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Surell (Post 1323506)
At the same time, though, Neil Young is a very Americana type of artist, and roots himself in a lot of American culture (Lincolns, baseball, country music). Of course his folkiness and mystique seem thoroughly Canadian to me.

And Lionel trains.

Surell 05-24-2013 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1323507)
And Lionel trains.

See i was going to say this but I didn't know if it was PC to identify trains as purely American.

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Originally Posted by TeeJayFlow (Post 1323511)
It depends on the genre, such as rap, which is infested with Illuminati puppets in America.

Drake's Canadian.

Neapolitan 05-24-2013 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Surell (Post 1323512)
See i was going to say this but I didn't know if it was PC to identify trains as purely American.


Drake's Canadian.

"Got to love the Drake!"

Yes,it is politically incorrect to think an American toy company (reference below) is connected somehow with American culture or to say an Americanized Canadian (expect for the folksy mystique part) is an avid fan of said company and to be on the safe side don't mention Lioneltech and Trainmaster Command, that never happened. :bonkhead:

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Lionel Corporation is an American toy manufacturer and retailer that has done business since 1901. Lionel Corporation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Necromancer 05-25-2013 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by LoathsomePete (Post 1322312)
In terms of global recognition from both mainstream and alternative outlets I'd say Rush is probably our ambassador.

I always liked the band Triumph. As artist they were equal to Rush artistically speaking. Especially Rik Emmett on vocals and guitar. But I agree with you 100% about Rush. ;)

Sloan is another underrated band out of Canada.

Burning Down 05-25-2013 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Necromancer (Post 1324172)
I always liked the band Triumph. As artist they were equal to Rush artistically speaking. Especially Rik Emmett on vocals and guitar. But I agree with you 100% about Rush. ;)

Gil Moore's daughter, Holly, was a camper at the camp I worked at a few years ago. So I met him on several occasions simply because I was one of her counsellors. Great guy, super nice.

Necromancer 05-25-2013 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Burning Down (Post 1324185)
Gil Moore's daughter, Holly, was a camper at the camp I worked at a few years ago. So I met him on several occasions simply because I was one of her counsellors. Great guy, super nice.

Wow .. that's an amazing opportunity coming your way BD.

Well Moore is not only a great drummer, but his harmony vocals were the anchor to Rik Emmett's singing.

Great 3 piece band. :)

Justthefacts 05-25-2013 06:43 PM

America's given us Bon Jovi, Bon Jovi guys. America gets my vote

Necromancer 05-25-2013 06:53 PM

Aerosmith, KISS, Alice Cooper, .. Steely Dan is the greatest band worldwide so why bother? :p:


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