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FRED HALE SR. 07-23-2013 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1348596)
If you actually read my post you would know WTF I was boycotting. The law itself. Stand Your Ground. Go back and read what I typed.

But you said yourself that Zimmerman was innocent? That would lead me to believe that considering he was innocent that would make you believe in the bill all that much more. I mean afterall an innocent man defended himself right? Thoroughly confused is gonna read my tombstone.

djchameleon 07-23-2013 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR. (Post 1348600)
But you said yourself that Zimmerman was innocent? That would lead me to believe that considering he was innocent that would make you believe in the bill all that much more. I mean afterall an innocent man defended himself right? Thoroughly confused is gonna read my tombstone.

I said that he was not guilty not innocent.

Two different things

FRED HALE SR. 07-23-2013 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1348601)
I said that he was not guilty not innocent.

They go hand and hand. If he was guilty of anything he would have done time. I'm gonna go finish off my plans for Disneyworld and make some Florida Orange Juice.

djchameleon 07-23-2013 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR. (Post 1348602)
They go hand and hand. If he was guilty of anything he would have done time. I'm gonna go finish off my plans for Disneyworld and make some Florida Orange Juice.

OJ Simpson was not guilty in his case but EVERYONE knows he did. He was far from innocent.

The same thing with Zimmerman. Even Zimmerman knows, he did some shady shit because he had to lie about so much related to the events that transpired that night.

butthead aka 216 07-23-2013 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1348617)
OJ Simpson was not guilty in his case but EVERYONE knows he did. He was far from innocent.

The same thing with Zimmerman. Even Zimmerman knows, he did some shady shit because he had to lie about so much related to the events that transpired that night.

witnesses pretty much back up everything zimmerman said.


i dont think zimm feels good about killin someone but he was left with no choice. i think many of us would have done the same

FRED HALE SR. 07-23-2013 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1348617)
OJ Simpson was not guilty in his case but EVERYONE knows he did. He was far from innocent.

The same thing with Zimmerman. Even Zimmerman knows, he did some shady shit because he had to lie about so much related to the events that transpired that night.

Everyone? What exactly did he lie about?

Sansa Stark 07-23-2013 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 216 (Post 1348620)
witnesses pretty much back up everything zimmerman said.


i dont think zimm feels good about killin someone but he was left with no choice. i think many of us would have done the same

So Marissa Alexander must not feel too great about shooting that drywall too, huh.

butthead aka 216 07-23-2013 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Hermione (Post 1348623)
So Marissa Alexander must not feel too great about shooting that drywall too, huh.

im not talkin about her whatsoever thanks

djchameleon 07-23-2013 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR. (Post 1348621)
Everyone? What exactly did he lie about?

I guess you didn't follow the case much.

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The lie: Zimmerman told his friend Mark Osterman—who has himself been a cop for over 20 years—that he was in a desperate struggle with Trayvon for Zimmerman's gun. Zimmerman never said this to police. But Osterman wrote in a book, and it was entered into evidence, that Zimmerman said, “somehow I broke his grip on the gun where the guy grabbed it between the rear site and the hammer. I got the gun in my hand, raised it towards the guy’s chest, and pulled the trigger.”
The truth: DNA evidence ruled out any real possibility that Trayvon ever touched Zimmerman's gun. The only DNA evidence on the gun's grip was that of George Zimmerman. None was Trayvon's. Zimmerman also claimed that Trayvon went for Zimmerman's holster. Anthony Gorgone, a DNA lab analyst for the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, testified as an expert witness that “Zimmerman's holster tested positive for only Zimmerman's DNA as well.”



The lie: Zimmerman claimed that Trayvon “bashed,” “slammed,” and “wailed” his head into the sidewalk. One of Zimmerman's lawyers claimed that the sidewalk was Trayvon's “deadly weapon.” Pictures of Zimmerman's alleged injuries have been shown repeatedly on tv.
The truth: There is no way that Zimmerman's head was repeatedly slammed into the sidewalk. As Dr. Valerie Rao, a medical examiner in Florida, testified, Zimmerman's injuries were “insignificant,” “so minor” that all they required was an ordinary band-aid.

The lie: Zimmerman told police investigators that Trayvon was circling his car, looking in at him, while Zimmerman was on the phone with the police dispatcher.
The truth: That would obviously be a big deal, and something Zimmerman, if he was actually concerned about his safety, would say to the 911 dispatcher while he was on the phone. Yet, somehow Zimmerman never mentioned this very crucial bit of information to the dispatcher while they were actually talking.

The lie: Zimmerman claims that Trayvon was straddling Zimmerman's chest, punching him, banging his head into the sidewalk, pinching Zimmerman's nose so he couldn't breathe, and reaching for Zimmerman's gun.
The truth: Journalist Charles Blow wrote about how Zimmerman's description of the fight scene is particularly incredible, saying “...partly because of ... the idea that Martin, while straddling Zimmerman, would be able to see a gun that was presumably behind him, and the idea that Zimmerman would feel Martin’s hand snake across his body, pinch that hand underneath his arm and then reach for and retrieve the gun himself. If Zimmerman’s hand was free enough for such a maneuver, were his hands not also free enough to try to push Martin off, or force Martin to release his head and not bang it against the concrete, or to hit Martin back (which he never says he does during the entire encounter)? Did Zimmerman’s mixed martial arts training provide him no defensive options whatsoever? Something about this just doesn’t sound right. And, by the way, how was Zimmerman able to get around Martin’s leg, retrieve the gun and aim it at Martin’s chest so easily?”

The lie: Zimmerman claimed that Trayvon “jumped out of bushes” and hit him, knocking him to the ground.
The truth: There are no bushes to jump out of where Zimmerman claims he was assaulted. This is clearly evident on the video where Zimmerman walked through his version of what happened with some Sanford police.

Sansa Stark 07-23-2013 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 216 (Post 1348624)
im not talkin about her whatsoever thanks

You're talking about the Stand Your Ground bull**** that he used as a defense
much like you know, the gay panic defense? You know, which let a man get off murdering Harvey Milk because the dude ate too many twinkies?

FRED HALE SR. 07-23-2013 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1348625)
I guess you didn't follow the case much.

uh If any of this were the case he would be re-tried for perjury. This is all conjecture that was thrown together to create fodder for people to talk about.

butthead aka 216 07-23-2013 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Hermione (Post 1348627)
You're talking about the Stand Your Ground bull**** that he used as a defense
much like you know, the gay panic defense? You know, which let a man get off murdering Harvey Milk because the dude ate too many twinkies?

zimm didnt even use stand your ground as his official defense

Sansa Stark 07-23-2013 04:36 PM

What's your point?

FRED HALE SR. 07-23-2013 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Hermione (Post 1348633)
What's your point?

Zimm didn't use that as his defense? Thats what he said anyway. :shycouch:

Sansa Stark 07-23-2013 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR. (Post 1348635)
Zimm didn't use that as his defense? Thats what he said anyway. :shycouch:

Fred is2g I'm actually going to Lorena Bobbitt you

no ****, but how can it be okay for Zimmerman to plead self defense and MURDER someone rather than Marissa Alexander, who's husband was abusive to her and HER CHILDREN, whom she was mainly concerned with.

That white child molester doesn't give a **** about children, seeing as how he murdered one and molested another.

djchameleon 07-23-2013 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR. (Post 1348629)
uh If any of this were the case he would be re-tried for perjury. This is all conjecture that was thrown together to create fodder for people to talk about.

Actually it is the case and the prosecution brought it up numerous times especially in the closing argument.

FRED HALE SR. 07-23-2013 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Hermione (Post 1348637)
Fred is2g I'm actually going to Lorena Bobbitt you

no ****, but how can it be okay for Zimmerman to plead self defense and MURDER someone rather than Marissa Alexander, who's husband was abusive to her and HER CHILDREN, whom she was mainly concerned with.

That white child molester doesn't give a **** about children, seeing as how he murdered one and molested another.

Sounds Hawt. Hit me up later.

Easy answer is shes a woman. :rofl: I crack myself up.

butthead aka 216 07-23-2013 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Hermione (Post 1348633)
What's your point?

that you just said he used it as a defense and you are wrong

Sansa Stark 07-23-2013 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1348638)
Actually it is the case and the prosecution brought it up numerous times especially in the closing argument.

hope yet:

Woman Says George Zimmerman Molested Her For More Than A Decade

AYYYY

like this bitch doesn't have a ****ing PR team, this comes out and suddenly he saves a family from a car crash? lmfao

FRED HALE SR. 07-23-2013 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1348638)
Actually it is the case and the prosecution brought it up numerous times especially in the closing argument.

They failed at their job. Maybe you should boycott Florida prosecution.

Sansa Stark 07-23-2013 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR. (Post 1348642)
They failed at their job. Maybe you should boycott Florida prosecution.

maybe you should boycott DEEZ NUTS since you ridin them so hard

djchameleon 07-23-2013 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR. (Post 1348642)
They failed at their job. Maybe you should boycott Florida prosecution.

I know they failed at their job that's why I would have voted not guilty.

I'm boycotting their prosecution and my foot up your ass.

FRED HALE SR. 07-23-2013 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Hermione (Post 1348643)
maybe you should boycott DEEZ NUTS since you ridin them so hard

Nah we can work this out over some Lorna Bobbitt later. Just hit me with your big purse if it makes you feel better. :rofl:

Sansa Stark 07-23-2013 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR. (Post 1348646)
Nah we can work this out over some Lorna Bobbitt later. Just hit me with your big purse if it makes you feel better. :rofl:

I'm not besmirching a 200 dollar satchel for your whack ass!

FRED HALE SR. 07-23-2013 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1348645)
I know they failed at their job that's why I would have voted not guilty.

I'm boycotting their prosecution and my foot up your ass.

C'mon DJ no reason to get all Zimmerman on me now. :rofl:

FRED HALE SR. 07-23-2013 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Hermione (Post 1348647)
I'm not besmirching a 200 dollar satchel for your whack ass!

You're so hateful on the whack ass's. So mean and hateful. :rofl:

djchameleon 07-23-2013 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR. (Post 1348650)
C'mon DJ no reason to get all Zimmerman on me now. :rofl:

well since you are going to be in Disneyworld eating your oranges. I'd advice that you don't wear a hoodie around me. Something bad might happen :rofl:

Necromancer 07-23-2013 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1348599)
I can't speak for other people but there are a few people that I know of personally that feels a situation like Trayvon Martin could happen to them directly or someone they know and love that's where all of the outrage is coming from. If you are white I wouldn't understand you to sympathize or get it.

Well that is totally untrue Deej. Why wouldn't I be concerned about a 17 year old young man getting killed and losing his life just because I am white? It has nothing to do with race as far as I am concerned, being under the age of 18 is a lot more distressing to me personally. I blame whoever gave Zimmerman the permit to carry a concealed weapon more so than anything else. I sure don't want every wannabe cop around carrying concealed weapons, just looking for a reason to use it, and having the ability to also get away with it in a court of law. I agree 100% that he should've stayed in the car when he was advised to do so. I think there should be more scrutiny concerning exactly who is allowed to have a concealed weapons permit first and foremost.

Sansa Stark 07-23-2013 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1348599)
I can't speak for other people but there are a few people that I know of personally that feels a situation like Trayvon Martin could happen to them directly or someone they know and love that's where all of the outrage is coming from. If you are white I wouldn't understand you to sympathize or get it.

White people, amirite

Freebase Dali 07-23-2013 06:45 PM

Why the hell is the term white even in this thread?

Arya Stark 07-23-2013 07:11 PM

Probably because Zimmerman is white? I think I get your direction, but that was a silly question.


Anyway, what would you people do if someone was following you with a gun?

Edit: that was rhetorical, mostly. Please don't go on about that. I don't care.

butthead aka 216 07-23-2013 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali (Post 1348692)
Why the hell is the term white even in this thread?

somethin about white privilege or something im not entirely sure to be honest. i tried making the point that this wasnt a race issue and only became one because of the sensationalism-driven media which only wants to seperate society into different teams and cause general divide


but i think it went unnoticed or nobody cared lol




zimmerman identifies himself as hispanic. the media tried portraying him as a white thug and trayvon as a model citizen little boy...and it worked!

i dont really see anything in zimmermans past that lends hand to him being racist. i dont take the molester accusations real serious either at this point. i dont really care much about trayvon's past either but i do think the media downplayed trayvons past while exagerating zimms to cause the divide i talked about

Sansa Stark 07-23-2013 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali (Post 1348692)
Why the hell is the term white even in this thread?

Bc I'm referring to a white child molester

Actually that last one was a joke, I'm waiting to see if someone points out I'm white bc I could be Hispanic too and still be white

Arya Stark 07-23-2013 07:19 PM

It was said best on Hot .97, I think. I can't find it but I can try paraphrasing to the best of my ability.

It isn't about black versus white. It's about being a black kid going to get some candy. Even black people are afraid of black people simply because it's the way they are portrayed. So no, according to Hot .97, it's not about race, it's about being dark-skinned.

I know how this feels.


Now to get back on topic, does everything actually think all of these people will be staying away from Florida? And for how long?

Sansa Stark 07-23-2013 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by AwwSugar (Post 1348701)
It was said best on Hot .97, I think. I can't find it but I can try paraphrasing to the best of my ability.

It isn't about black versus white. It's about being a black kid going to get some candy. Even black people are afraid of black people simply because it's the way they are portrayed. So no, according to Hot .97, it's not about race, it's about being dark-skinned.

I know how this feels.


Now to get back on topic, does everything actually think all of these people will be staying away from Florida? And for how long?

Boo it is about race, even with Peruvian (iirc) parents that doesn't mean he's a ****ing brown person.

He and you ain't the same colour~~~~ and u pass for AN EBONY GODDESS
BUT MY EBONY GODDESS
ONLY MINE
WHO DOES ALL THE RT

Arya Stark 07-23-2013 07:27 PM

Bahahahahaha.

And yeah brown is race, white is what he is, his ethnicity is different.

butthead aka 216 07-23-2013 07:35 PM

well to go a bit off topic but dealing with race, i think racial profiling is usually just offender profiling, or if u wanna call it bein suspicious. i might act different depending on how someone looks. i wouldnt be scared of bein mugged if i was walkin down the street late at night and saw a group of black guys wearin khakis and polos. i probably would be a little scared and cross the street if that group of guys were black guys wearin bandanas, 'wife beaters' and shorts down to their ankles. and the same would go if you replace 'black' with 'white' in what i just said. again i represent myself but i do feel many others feel that same way but often phrase it in racist terms or simplify it by sayin "i hate blakc people" when what they really hate is the 'stereotypical' black guy

i think zimmerman was totally ok for thinkin he was suspicious and i dont think it had to do with his race at all though


and i think the somewhat focus on trayvon gettin candy is to show that he is just a little kid but ill be the one to just come out and say it evne tho i know ill catch hate.... i think theres just as strong possibility he was tryin to make some lean than he was buying it to just snack on

i dont think that really matters except in the context of the point i am making, which is the media has tried really hard since the beginning to portray zimm and trayvon differently on purpose. hell they went as far as to edit his 911 tape lol

Anteater 07-23-2013 07:54 PM

So yeah, how about dem eagles?

http://weknowgifs.com/wp-content/upl...the-zimmer.jpg

Arya Stark 07-23-2013 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 216 (Post 1348706)
and i think the somewhat focus on trayvon gettin candy is to show that he is just a little kid but ill be the one to just come out and say it evne tho i know ill catch hate.... i think theres just as strong possibility he was tryin to make some lean than he was buying it to just snack on
l

Wtf. That's racist. Cut that **** out.

GET BACK ON TOPIC, DIRTY.

Sansa Stark 07-23-2013 08:26 PM

Nobody makes lean with arizona iced tea hahahahahhahahahahahah

oh my god hahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahaha
hahahahahaha


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