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Arya Stark 07-23-2013 08:27 PM

I was gonna say that lmaoo.

Sansa Stark 07-23-2013 08:27 PM

Oh my god that's like saying he was going to macgyver the skittles into meth somehow

Jesus christ

butthead aka 216 07-23-2013 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by AwwSugar (Post 1348723)
Wtf. That's racist. Cut that **** out.

GET BACK ON TOPIC, DIRTY.

not racist in the LEAST

Arya Stark 07-23-2013 08:40 PM

I don't care what you think.

Get back on topic, because I've said this multiple times and I've attempted to change the subject multiple times. Try to turn away from the trial directly, and talk more about whether these artists are actually making a difference.

butthead aka 216 07-23-2013 08:47 PM

well of course im gonna respond to your wild and completely wrong assumptions when you falsely label me lol


but back to the artists

rhianna, jay z and rolling stones look like they arent boycotting. much respect to them. i wonder if these artists are gonna boycott the other 20+ states with this law..... i can answer that already and its no. its all a huge PR stunt for most of these ppl. i guess they are afraid of seeming racist or.....something if they dont join others in a boycott. im interested to see how long this fakeness lasts

Sansa Stark 07-23-2013 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 216 (Post 1348735)
well of course im gonna respond to your wild and completely wrong assumptions when you falsely label me lol


but back to the artists

rhianna, jay z and rolling stones look like they arent boycotting. much respect to them. i wonder if these artists are gonna boycott the other 20+ states with this law..... i can answer that already and its no. its all a huge PR stunt for most of these ppl. i guess they are afraid of seeming racist or.....something if they dont join others in a boycott. im interested to see how long this fakeness lasts


you brought up two black people and really old men.

racist

Janszoon 07-23-2013 08:51 PM

Looks like the Stevie Wonder boycott is the only true part of this story:

Florida Boycott List That Included Kanye, Jay Z, Alicia Keys Discredited

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Representatives for a number of artists on a purported list of musicians and performers boycotting the state of Florida in the wake of the George Zimmerman verdict said Tuesday that their clients have never heard of or been contacted about the list.

American Urban Radio Networks White House correspondent April Ryan first reported the list -- which includes heavyweights like Justin Timberlake, Jay Z, Kanye West, Alicia Keys, Madonna and more -- on Monday and credited it to "sources close to the Stevie Wonder camp." The Huffington Post linked to Ryan's list and noted at the time that representatives for artists were being contacted. Late Monday night, HuffPost sources revealed that Rihanna was not involved, despite being named. MotherJones received word that the Rolling Stones -- who also appear on the list -- had never heard of such a campaign.

Additional representatives on Tuesday confirmed to HuffPost that other boldface names on the the list were not involved, but declined to identify their clients on the record. Denials reached a critical mass that began to shed serious doubt on the veracity of the list. On Tuesday, Ryan posted an update on her website in which she said that representatives of artists named "are uncomfortable being identified on that list."

Sansa Stark 07-23-2013 08:51 PM

lame!!!!!! Props 2 Stevie tho

butthead aka 216 07-23-2013 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1348738)
Looks like the Stevie Wonder boycott is the only true part of this story:

Florida Boycott List That Included Kanye, Jay Z, Alicia Keys Discredited

:clap:

american urban radio networks White House correspondent April Ryan might be in a little but of trouble

djchameleon 07-23-2013 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Necromancer (Post 1348687)
Well that is totally untrue Deej. Why wouldn't I be concerned about a 17 year old young man getting killed and losing his life just because I am white? It has nothing to do with race as far as I am concerned, being under the age of 18 is a lot more distressing to me personally. I blame whoever gave Zimmerman the permit to carry a concealed weapon more so than anything else. I sure don't want every wannabe cop around carrying concealed weapons, just looking for a reason to use it, and having the ability to also get away with it in a court of law. I agree 100% that he should've stayed in the car when he was advised to do so. I think there should be more scrutiny concerning exactly who is allowed to have a concealed weapons permit first and foremost.

One, I was directly the term white at 216 because of his nonchalant attitude towards this case not being about race when there is clearly a racial climate/tension related to it.

Two, the relation is that if you are black you feel like wtf? what happened to Trayvon Martin could happen to me as well if I live in Florida or it could happen to someone that I know and love. Even Obama came out and said that he felt it could have happened to him. He could have been Trayvon years ago.

People saying that race isn't an issue in this case makes me laugh just as much as Stephen Colbert saying that he sees no race. It is a bit ignorant to be completely believe that is had NOTHING at all to do with race.

Also back on topic, just like I expected those artists weren't going to stick to it but I guess on the other hand they weren't even involved with it in the first place so now you guys don't have to worry about people "hurting" for this boycott from celebrities.

Arya Stark 07-23-2013 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1348738)
Looks like the Stevie Wonder boycott is the only true part of this story:

Florida Boycott List That Included Kanye, Jay Z, Alicia Keys Discredited

I mean.
Stevie Wonder's cool too.

CanwllCorfe 07-23-2013 09:34 PM

Everyone is black in Stevie Wonder's eyes.

djchameleon 07-23-2013 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CanwllCorfe (Post 1348754)
Everyone is black in Stevie Wonder's eyes.

:drummer:

Ba-dum tish

Janszoon 07-23-2013 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by AwwSugar (Post 1348752)
I mean.
Stevie Wonder's cool too.

Stevie Wonder is a hell of a lot cooler and a thousand times more talented than any of the money grubbing pop asshats mentioned on that fake list.

Sansa Stark 07-23-2013 10:14 PM

Stevie wonder is from my hometown

:cool:

Arya Stark 07-23-2013 10:20 PM

LMAO but he won't be performing in your state if the rumors are true! Ahahaha

Sansa Stark 07-23-2013 10:22 PM

fuuuck!

Freebase Dali 07-24-2013 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by AwwSugar (Post 1348695)
Probably because Zimmerman is white? I think I get your direction, but that was a silly question.

I thought he was half Hispanic and half white.
If he's white, does that make Obama white?

djchameleon 07-24-2013 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali (Post 1348930)
I thought he was half Hispanic and half white.
If he's white, does that make Obama white?

Obama is black because of the stupid one drop rule that people subscribe to.

There are white hispanics and black hispanics.

I will break it down into pictures for you.

Black hispanic IE she's from the Dominican Republic
Moderator cut: image removed


White Hispanic IE: a lady from Hundoras they generally tend to be fairer skin
http://hopeforwomenmag.com/wp-conten...2/Amanda-1.jpg

Freebase Dali 07-24-2013 08:29 AM

I just sorta figured that if someone was of mixed race, they should be considered whatever that person identifies as. So if Zimmerman identifies as Hispanic, why do we consider him white? If he was a "Black Hispanic" and identified as Hispanic, would people refer to him as Black, or Hispanic?

Sansa Stark 07-24-2013 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali (Post 1348936)
I just sorta figured that if someone was of mixed race, they should be considered whatever that person identifies as. So if Zimmerman identifies as Hispanic, why do we consider him white? If he was a "Black Hispanic" and identified as Hispanic, would people refer to him as Black, or Hispanic?

both, Hispanic = pertaining to countries connected to Spain. Black isn't country specific, really. Neither is white, but using Caucasian as a race is dumb because it's a bull**** term

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The term "Caucasian race" was coined by the German philosopher Christoph Meiners in his The Outline of History of Mankind (1785).[4] In Meiners's unique racial classification, there were only two racial divisions (Rassen): Caucasians and Mongolians. These terms were used as a collective representation of individuals he personally regarded as either good looking or less attractive, based solely on facial appearance. For example, he considered Germans and Tatars more attractive, and thus Caucasian, while he found Jews, Slavs and Native Americans less attractive, and thus Mongolian.[5]
The concept of a Caucasian race or Varietas Caucasia linked to "white race" was further developed around in the 1790s by Johann Friedrich Blumenbach, a German professor of medicine.[6] Blumenbach named it after the Caucasian peoples (from the Southern Caucasus region), whom he considered to be the archetype for the grouping.
Caucasus region=
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...egion_1994.jpg

Clearly these aren't totally white countries.

FRED HALE SR. 07-24-2013 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Hermione (Post 1348938)
both, Hispanic = pertaining to countries connected to Spain. Black isn't country specific, really. Neither is white, but using Caucasian as a race is dumb because it's a bull**** term



Caucasus region=
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...egion_1994.jpg

Clearly these aren't totally white countries.

Yeah clearly they look beige, white and green.

Sansa Stark 07-24-2013 08:38 AM

sois yo dick

FRED HALE SR. 07-24-2013 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hermione (Post 1348942)
sois yo dick

Penicillin its a hell of a drug.

Sansa Stark 07-24-2013 08:43 AM

You're injecting penicillin into yo dick?

What the **** bro

FRED HALE SR. 07-24-2013 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Hermione (Post 1348945)
You're injecting penicillin into yo dick?

What the **** bro

Somebodys gotta do it. I asked for oral but they said shes really busy.

Sansa Stark 07-24-2013 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR. (Post 1348947)
Somebodys gotta do it. I asked for oral but they said shes really busy.

http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/...psc2321349.gif

stahhhp

Arya Stark 07-24-2013 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1348805)
Stevie Wonder is a hell of a lot cooler and a thousand times more talented than any of the money grubbing pop asshats mentioned on that fake list.

I guess I meant that the motion to not perform in these states it's still awesome even if it is just Stevie Wonder doing it!

It wasn't really the talent or the personalities that made the difference to me, just how widespread the fanbases are and the number of artists.

I really should not have started this thread, because it turned into something way more political than I intended it to turn. It's my fault, for assuming members here could try to keep the topic on music but if any of the mods are feeling lock-happy, feel free to lock this thread I started.

I just want to talk about music.

Sansa Stark 07-24-2013 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by AwwSugar (Post 1348957)
I guess I meant that the motion to not perform in these states it's still awesome even if it is just Stevie Wonder doing it!

It wasn't really the talent or the personalities that made the difference to me, just how widespread the fanbases are and the number of artists.

I really should not have started this thread, because it turned into something way more political than I intended it to turn. It's my fault, for assuming members here could try to keep the topic on music but if any of the mods are feeling lock-happy, feel free to lock this thread I started.

I just want to talk about music.

You want to talk about music? This is banterbanter, not musicbanter.

Arya Stark 07-24-2013 09:15 AM

I THOUGHT THIS WAS COOKING CLASS.

o.o

djchameleon 07-24-2013 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AwwSugar (Post 1348957)

I really should not have started this thread, because it turned into something way more political than I intended it to turn. It's my fault, for assuming members here could try to keep the topic on music but if any of the mods are feeling lock-happy, feel free to lock this thread I started.

I understand your intentions but the two subjects are closely related to one another. A musician is boycotting a political issue. Of course the political issue that is being mentioned would be brought up in a thread talking about it.

Sansa Stark 07-24-2013 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AwwSugar (Post 1348961)
I THOUGHT THIS WAS COOKING CLASS.

o.o

hey d00d I'm just the Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher IDKKKKK

FRED HALE SR. 07-24-2013 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1348962)
I understand your intentions but the two subjects are closely related to one another. A musician is boycotting a political issue. Of course the political issue that is being mentioned would be brought up in a thread talking about it.

I hear the sale of Florida Oranges has plummeted. Way to go Stevie.

Arya Stark 07-24-2013 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1348962)
I understand your intentions but the two subjects are closely related to one another. A musician is boycotting a political issue. Of course the political issue that is being mentioned would be brought up in a thread talking about it.

Which is why I'd prefer to end it altogether.

Necromancer 07-24-2013 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1348749)
One, I was directly the term white at 216 because of his nonchalant attitude towards this case not being about race when there is clearly a racial climate/tension related to it.

Two, the relation is that if you are black you feel like wtf? what happened to Trayvon Martin could happen to me as well if I live in Florida or it could happen to someone that I know and love. Even Obama came out and said that he felt it could have happened to him. He could have been Trayvon years ago.

People saying that race isn't an issue in this case makes me laugh just as much as Stephen Colbert saying that he sees no race. It is a bit ignorant to be completely believe that is had NOTHING at all to do with race.

Also back on topic, just like I expected those artists weren't going to stick to it but I guess on the other hand they weren't even involved with it in the first place so now you guys don't have to worry about people "hurting" for this boycott from celebrities.

A lot of other people view the whole situation as nothing more than Race Merchants grabbing and clawing for every opportunity that arrives to coincide with the media and promote the significance of discrimination as an explanation for racial inequality. Its one thing to express an opinion, but its a different ballgame all together when the president of the united states does it. I will give you an example of why I believe Obama's statement was politically incorrect. His statement brings up the question as to why he is not addressing the fact that 75% of black mothers in this country have children out of wedlock. Family structure itself is what should be addressed more importantly than Whine Merchandising. This is something that the black leaders of this country should address themselves, because I don't think they even want any help by the whites at all. Im not trying to turn this into a racial argument DJ, Im just debating the subject with you in presenting different views from both sides, nothing more. :)

As far as Stevie Wonder participating in a boycott, well that is just the nature of the music industry. Its done mainly just for notoriety and sales for the artist themselves more so than benefiting society.

Sansa Stark 07-24-2013 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Necromancer (Post 1348971)
A lot of other people view the whole situation as nothing more than Race Merchants grabbing and clawing for every opportunity that arrives to coincide with the media and promote the significance of discrimination as an explanation for racial inequality. Its one thing to express an opinion, but its a different ballgame all together when the president of the united states does it. I will give you an example of why I believe Obama's statement was politically incorrect. His statement brings up the question as to why he is not addressing the fact that 75% of black mothers in this country have children out of wedlock. Family structure itself is what should be addressed more importantly than Whine Merchandising. This is something that the black leaders of this country should address themselves, because I don't think they even want any help by the whites at all. Im not trying to turn this into a racial argument DJ, Im just debating the subject with you in presenting different views from both sides, nothing more. :)

As far as Stevie Wonder participating in a boycott, well that is just the nature of the music industry. Its done mainly just for notoriety and sales for the artist themselves more so than benefiting society.

I disagree, the city we are both from is a cesspool of poverty & gun violence, I know he still had family here for a long time so I think it's more empathy than it is for show.

FRED HALE SR. 07-24-2013 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Hermione (Post 1348978)
I disagree, the city we are both from is a cesspool of poverty & gun violence, I know he still had family here for a long time so I think it's more empathy than it is for show.

I'd have to agree with you on this. If anybody in the music industry were to be considered empathetic it would be Wonder. Hes got a hell of a alot of integrity.

Necromancer 07-24-2013 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hermione (Post 1348978)
I disagree, the city we are both from is a cesspool of poverty & gun violence, I know he still had family here for a long time so I think it's more empathy than it is for show.

You could very well be right concerning Stevie Wonder. One would think that he doesn't need such publicity. I was actually referring to other artist or bands in that particular situation, my bad.

Sansa Stark 07-24-2013 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR. (Post 1348983)
I'd have to agree with you on this. If anybody in the music industry were to be considered empathetic it would be Wonder. Hes got a hell of a alot of integrity.

^ exactly

Quote:

Originally Posted by Necromancer (Post 1348985)
You could very well be right concerning Stevie Wonder. One would think that he doesn't need such publicity. I was actually referring to other artist or bands in that particular situation, my bad.

I don't think a lot of the other people do either, especially Kanye

hip hop bunny hop 07-24-2013 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Hermione (Post 1348938)
Clearly these aren't totally white countries.

I've discussed this multiple times, but yeah, they're white countries. White refers to both Indigenous European groups and Indo-European groups. Most White people are of Indo-European descent, meaning they're mixed from both Northern Indian Subcontinent and Indigenous European groups. This is substantiated by both anthropological and linguistic fact. This is why the Shah of Iran called himself the Light of the Aryans, this is why there's no shortage of blue-eyed, blonde haired people in the Middle East or South Central Asia, and this is why the census in the USA points out that people from these regions are White while you're filling it out.


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