grindy

Silence is an element of music. I think everybody agrees, that a moment of silence can be quite beneficial for the development of a piece. Think of a pause before all hell breaks loose in some song... That can be quite powerful.
And since silence can be an element of music, then why not stretch it and leave sounds out of it altogether? So, definitely music in my opinion.
After all, a lot of lowercase or onkyo-kei are mostly silence, so why draw a line there?
Sure, 4'33 is a concept piece, nobody sits down to listen to it at home. (Although one could say we listen to it most of the time.) But still music.
Once again, whether it's good music or not, whether it's clever or stupid and lazy, is another thing altogether.

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Black Francis

don't mean to belittle your post but what you said reminded me of this clip

ive never heard that 4'33 song you guys kept talking about but i usually don't like silence in songs.

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grindy

This is hilarious!
Is the film any good? Never heard about it.

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John Wilkes Booth

i think it sucks. yea you can make a pretty poetic argument for it being music and i might even agree but once i get the point i still won't enjoy listening to it. honestly no matter how clever an idea it is i can't imagine myself with headphones on listening to that **** for entertainment. i would honestly rather take the actual random sounds of the world cause they'd be far more interesting and that's honestly at like the bare minimum for me when it comes to sound being interesting.

Mondo Bungle

I've never found a good enough version. Audio always blows. Most of the time I don't even hear anything.

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Chula Vista

Music = Food

Subsistence.

I like baked haddock.

Somebody else likes live eel.

It's all good.

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Mondo Bungle

But on the real, I don't consider that one music. Music to me is sound. I find 4'33 to be an artistic statement, allowing you to find and appreciate the music surrounding us, but not music itself, at least in my eyes.

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Pet_Sounds

I agree with Mondo here.

Funny enough, my mom wrote an essay about 4'33" back in the day. I'll have to get her opinion.

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THE ONLY TRUE MUSIC IS LOU REED'S "METAL MACHINE MUSIC"


But in all seriousness, if somebody, anybody is willing to call something music, I'm willing to assume that they're correct. It's all a matter of subjectivity anyway, we all know this.

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Machine

I just listened to the piece of music for the first time and to be honest I may have had a weird reaction that it was quite resounding to hear. To me the audience shuffling and uninformed anticipation in line with chatter in between parts was the music. The music by not being played created an ambiance that I'll never really forget and for whatever reason kept me on the edge of my seat. Well that was my reaction anyway to me it does undoubtedly scream music to me, but also something different. And as grindy said lowercase music can be at time composed of mainly silence.

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