Icon vs Legend (subjective or objective terms?) Which one is more enduring?

~~James~~ · 11-24-2014, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Soulflower

But YOU do LOL

You know about the movie lol

The movie is an Iconic moment mostly because of the soundtrack and "I Will Always Love You" the song.

I study film at university and I'm a member of a music site. People that don't have those passions, they haven't seen the film.
The song is famous, maybe even iconic, but I don't think the film is in any respect.

~~Soulflower~~ · 11-24-2014, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Nope those are objective facts. I still have not seen you say why Kanye is not an icon.

Did you skip over the last pages LOL

I went into detail why Kanye is not an Icon.

**Frownland** · 11-24-2014, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Soulflower

Did you skip over the last pages LOL

I went into detail why Kanye is not an Icon.

You were a little vague. Could you go into more detail? I want to understand.

~~Soulflower~~ · 11-24-2014, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by frownland

you were a little vague. Could you go into more detail? I want to understand.

lol!

Mondo Bungle · 11-24-2014, 07:56 PM

We'll have to take that as a "no"

The Batlord · 11-24-2014, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JustinJJustin

Just curious. Would you say Iron Maiden are Iconic. I mean, their live performances are considered the best. Also their album covers. And their mascot. Are they Legends or Icons?

To an extent. They're right at the cusp of mainstream popularity, but not quite. Every metalhead and music nerd on Earth knows who they are, and a large percentage of rock music fans, but after that they actually become kind of obscure.

But as far as that group of people go, they seem to meet all of Soulflower's criteria by a mile. Their first six albums are definitely iconic. Even their two albums with Blaze Bailey are iconic in a negative way.

Carpe Mortem · 11-24-2014, 08:06 PM

Someone has probably already said this... But an icon is objective, in that its something recognizable by most people within a particular subset of music, and a legend is highly subjective. A legend can often be agreed on by multiple fans within that subset, or across all music, but ultimately its too strong a word to be anything other than opinion.

**Frownland** · 11-24-2014, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninetales

john cage is an icon that's for damn sure

John Cage is a legend.

~~James~~ · 11-24-2014, 08:08 PM

I take an icon to be somebody that everyone recognises just from a single image, even years later. Bob Marley is always the first I think of. Even of I didn't listen to Marley, didn't know anything about his life, I'd still know him because his image is still inescapable in our culture.
I could see Kanye West and his fancy sunglasses and clothing, as well as his political moments and public persona, being built to last. Especially now that he's married to Kim Kardashian, I am not a fan of hers but she is also a colossal star and that magazine cover had quite an impact, it could be looked back on as a Marilyn Monroe style pin up photo.

Ninetales · 11-24-2014, 08:13 PM

~~~rihanna has sold more than frank Sinatra~~~

(and janet Jackson fwiw)

11-24-2014, 08:06 PM	#97 (permalink)
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11-24-2014, 08:08 PM	#99 (permalink)
~~James~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Scotland Posts: 4,483	I take an icon to be somebody that everyone recognises just from a single image, even years later. Bob Marley is always the first I think of. Even of I didn't listen to Marley, didn't know anything about his life, I'd still know him because his image is still inescapable in our culture. I could see Kanye West and his fancy sunglasses and clothing, as well as his political moments and public persona, being built to last. Especially now that he's married to Kim Kardashian, I am not a fan of hers but she is also a colossal star and that magazine cover had quite an impact, it could be looked back on as a Marilyn Monroe style pin up photo.

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Ninetales Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: livin wild Posts: 2,179	~~~rihanna has sold more than frank Sinatra~~~ (and janet Jackson fwiw)