You're French Canadian? Sacrebleu, mon amie!

remember kids, facts is trolls

Do you listen to a lot of traditional klezmer? No? So you're a Nazi? Is that how we play the game?

I like how you totally ignored everything I said about Cyndi Lauper even though I said I had no interest in either artist. Also I never said she wasn't iconic for that reason. I said the reasons I didn't think she was is because the reasons you stated were nowhere near convincing.

She had a successful album & tour and wore an outfit, wow.
I gave you another example of another female artist with a similar length career who has done all that too and who has more recognisable songs and stated that I didn't think she was an icon so what did Janet do that was so iconic. Perfectly legitimate question.

I said it gets her a pass, I didn't say it makes her an icon. You think anybody would even know the first names of any of those you listed with the careers they had if they didn't have the Jackson surname?
Turn up at a record company with that name and you're pretty much guaranteed a contract and publicity that no other act would get.

It is, but that's because it's one invented in your head and bares little resemblance to anything I've actually said, like most of the things I say to you actually. You cherrypick a few words, take them grossly out of context and ignore the rest. Your usual tactic.

I'll just quote this from a post I made a few days ago

It's all subjective, each artist has their own fan base that view them as icons. Long ago I used to think MJ was the best ever, but as I grew older and listened to more music his music grew out of me. I think he is a great entertainer/dancer but not all that musically talented. Most of his songs sound very lame to me nowadays. There are also old rock bands like KISS, and Poison, who thanks to their imagery, still have their fan base that considers them icons, but to me they are just clowns.

The only current mainstream artist that I would personally consider a future legend is Kanye West. To me he is also a lot more musically talented than MJ, and he doesn't rely on imagery or dancing and grabbing his crotch in order to impress people like MJ, Kiss, and Poison do. Kanye actually has quality music to back it up.

Ha I thought you were talking about Mick Jagger when you said MJ.....:)
Kanye has the music to back it up? Man I saw that fool on Saturday Night Live and if that is an example of having music to back it up I'm sticking with those clowns Kiss.

I'm absolutely stunned that you don't like Kanye.

A lot of the time when people talk about John Cage I think they're talking about John Cale.


Just wanted to say that.

And also that John Cale is a legend. And an icon. And Janet Jackson is not lmfao

His production is on point. He's a ****ty MC and his lyrics are trash, and if he doesn't write them than he's even less of an MC.

John CALE is amazing, of course. John CAGE is a pretentious twat.

Vanilla Ice is more of an icon than Janet Jackson. Even after all these years, his fame hasn't really diminished any, and "Ice, Ice Baby" is still as ubiquitous as ever, even if a lot of people just know the chorus and that bass line. He's pretty much the ultimate posterboy of the one-hit wonder in a way that eclipses many established and respected artists.