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Frownland 11-25-2014 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mordwyr (Post 1513240)
John CALE is amazing, of course. John CAGE is a pretentious twat.

Nah, 4'33" is only a single part of his work out of thousands. Do you really find this pretentious?



Looking at interviews, he comes across as the opposite of pretentious, but I think people confuse that term with open-mindedness.

Mondo Bungle 11-25-2014 05:59 PM

^could you recommend me some

Zhanteimi 11-25-2014 06:00 PM

One work of monumental pretentiousness can undo a lifetime of real work.

YorkeDaddy 11-25-2014 06:00 PM

Yeah, I can't compare with most of this forum but I've heard and know a ****load of music compared to the average person and I can't name a single Janet Jackson song, but I definitely know Ice Ice Baby.

Since Vanilla Ice is white I anticipate Soulflower calling me racist now.

Zhanteimi 11-25-2014 06:01 PM

You don't know Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation? I thought everyone knew that. I thought it was iconic.

YorkeDaddy 11-25-2014 06:03 PM

Oh and also this might be kind of uncomfortable overall so I'm not really going to say anything, but I'm going to go ahead and post this picture of Michael Jackson

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...el_Jackson.jpg


yup

Frownland 11-25-2014 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mondo Bungle (Post 1513246)
^could you recommend me some

Four Walls, Sonatas and Interludes for Prepared Piano, and In a Landscape.

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Originally Posted by mordwyr (Post 1513247)
One work of monumental pretentiousness can undo a lifetime of real work.

I'm sorry that you feel that way, you're missing out on a lot of beautiful music. Have you heard John Cale's early work? Does it undo his later work or vice versa?


Zhanteimi 11-25-2014 06:11 PM

I'll check him out, bro.

The Batlord 11-25-2014 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mordwyr (Post 1513247)
One work of monumental pretentiousness can undo a lifetime of real work.

I don't particularly care if an artist is pretentious, so long as they make good music. I'd rather listen to pretentious but entertaining, rather than grounded but boring.

DwnWthVwls 11-25-2014 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1513254)

I'm curious. Do you sit there and listen to that kind of stuff like other people listen to mainstream? Like say you have an hour drive ahead of you, would play you these musical "noise experiments"?

I'm not knocking you for it. I just don't get it.


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