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Old 11-27-2014, 09:59 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The problem with your arguments are that they come off very one sided and snobbish.
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Get outside you rock bubble and you might get more educated on other acts but it is not just you it is this entire forum.
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This is a very racially insensitive site.
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Old 11-27-2014, 07:07 PM   #2 (permalink)
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He's already gone on record as saying that he listens to far more than just rock, and after seeing him post for five years, I can vouch for that. He certainly listens to a higher percentage of rock and rock-derived music, but he shows far more diversity in his musical taste than you do at least. You're just generalizing right now based on your perceptions of the forum at large, which is actually pretty racist on your part.

And your assertion that this site is racially insensitive is also ridiculous. A lot of people here tend to take your side when it comes to debates on race. You just mostly notice the people who disagree with you, which is natural, but unfair.


My point is, I am not surprised by these responses on Janet Jackson because this is a forum that mostly listens to rock music which you have pointed out and agree with yourself.

So DITTO,

They probably will not consider her to be an Icon but that does not necessarily mean she is not an Icon.

The logic that some members here were arguing was...

"Oh since none of us can name a Janet Jackson song or listen to her music that means she is not an Icon"

That is a ridiculous argument.

Why?

Because none of them probably don't even listen to her music or are familiar with the iconic things she has done to make such an argument.

When someone told me Tom Waits was innovative I said no he was not and then they gave me examples of innovative things he had done and I quickly became educated. Some of these members are still snobbishly stuck in their views despite the receipts that show JJ is an Icon but don't get where I am coming from twisted.

It is nothing racist about pointing out that observation.

My taste in music is very diverse and I am very eagered to learn about other artists outside my favorite genre. I don't see that same eagerness from the others here which is clearly reflects the lack of activity in the other forums outside the rock ones.

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Old 11-27-2014, 10:09 PM   #3 (permalink)
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My point is, I am not surprised by these responses on Janet Jackson because this is a forum that mostly listens to rock music which you have pointed out and agree with yourself.
just a reminder you started this thread to open up debate. you brought up janet Jackson, said (amongst other things) that icons are remembered past their generation, and then people -who are on this site because they like music- disagreed. if musically inclined people cant name any of her songs, what does that mean? maybe nothing. maybe something. but then you called most of the site racist. really good and cool of you soulflower. not terrible at all.

oh and fyi I dont "mostly listen to rock". do you even have a clue what I listen to regularly? do you even have a clue what anyone here listens to?
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Who the hell is George Strait?
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Who the hell is George Strait?

That list seems kind of sketchy? The Beatles and Michael Jackson aren't on there?
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Yeh I edited that comment.. Didn't realize the link was further down the page. Doh.

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Old 11-26-2014, 11:03 AM   #7 (permalink)
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You might want to check the source for that 100 million sales for Janet Jackson too.It comes from an article from a regional website which claimed she's sold 100 million recordings, nothing substantial.

Plus let's not forget that list counts albums and singles as the same thing, she might have higher numbers than Bob Dylan but I bet his album sales are vastly bigger than hers.
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You might want to check the source for that 100 million sales for Janet Jackson too.It comes from an article from a regional website which claimed she's sold 100 million recordings, nothing substantial.

Plus let's not forget that list counts albums and singles as the same thing, she might have higher numbers than Bob Dylan but I bet his album sales are vastly bigger than hers.

You constantly site Wikipedia in your other arguments but since this is Janet Jackson Wikipedia is suddenly unreliable?

Janet Jackson is one of the biggest selling artists of all time certified by RIAA and Soundscan.

But you dont have to believe it if you dont want to because the receipts don't lie regardless of what you think.

Janet even has more Billboard Top entries than MJ and Whitney

Get outside you rock bubble and you might get more educated on other acts but it is not just you it is this entire forum.
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If non-whatever-her-music-is fans can't name a single one of her songs, then how big of an icon can she be? I think an icon's fame should be able to cross genre boundaries, or else what's the point of calling her an icon? I don't listen to Beyonce, but I can still bring the chorus of "Crazy In Love" to mind without much effort. I don't listen to Frank Sinatra at all, but I can still name several of his songs, and know a little bit of how a few of them go.

And I stand by what I said about Vanilla Ice being a bigger icon than Janet.
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