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Soulflower 11-11-2014 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by James (Post 1507127)
What about someone on the opposite end of the spectrum. Ozzy Osbourne?

He is apart of a legendary group that made a significant impact on music.

Are you speaking on him as a solo artist?

Urban Hat€monger ? 11-11-2014 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soulflower (Post 1507123)
So are you insisting that Michael Jackson being an Icon and The Supremes being a legend is just MY own subjective opinion OR you disagree with that?

There are objective reasons for why they are Icons and legends, MJ is both.

I have made it clear previously that I don't think this current generation has any Icons or legends because they have not really made that much of an impact on music (and quite frankly they haven't).


Elvis is a legend and I don't like him (which I haven't stated plenty of times)

Madonna is an Icon and I think she is overrated.....but Madonna has Iconic and classic albums, songs, performances (MTV performance), videos etc, she has made a big cultural impact on pop culture.

I'm saying we already know you have a hard on for some these big name artists but by choosing 3 of the biggest acts of all time you're playing it very safe.

I want to see you push the boundaries of your definition and tell us who else you thinks qualifies. It's all too easy to say this person isn't on that level that band isn't either because they're not on Jackson or Madonna's level. Otherwise the thread just becomes 'my favourite artist is more iconic and legendary than yours'.

Soulflower 11-11-2014 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ? (Post 1507138)
I'm saying we already know you have a hard on for some these big name artists but by choosing 3 of the biggest acts of all time you're playing it very safe.

I want to see you push the boundaries of your definition and tell us who else you thinks qualifies. It's all too easy to say this person isn't on that level that band isn't either because they're not on Jackson or Madonna's level. Otherwise the thread just becomes 'my favourite artist is more iconic and legendary than yours'.

hahahahaha

I feel you which is why I asked people to express if the terms Iconic or Legendary were subjective or objective terms.

Maybe you can help in answering this question.

If you think these artists are often cited, why don't you list artists you think are legends or Icons and express why you think they are?



Also, I didn't choose the "biggest" artists.



I chose the first Icons that popped in my head or artists that I consider to be legends. The reason why those artists are often cited is because of their cultural impact on popular music and pop culture. There is simply no getting around "not" mentioning them in a thread like this. (MJ, Madonna, Prince etc are always going to be mentioned and should be mentioned whether their impact is obvious or not) They have made a significant impact on popular culture and are clear cut examples of what it means to be Iconic or an Icon.

IMO there are no current popular artists that have made the same impact as them or will in the future.

But yes, there are other artists that I do think are legends and Icons and I will gladly with pleasure list in a future post and explain why I think they are :)

I am also interested in seeing some of your opinions a well since I always enjoy reading them.

Soulflower 11-21-2014 12:15 AM

Whitney Houston
 
Whitney Houston
Iconic Moments: The Body Guard Movie
http://www.mediamondo.ch/media/catal..._bodyguard.jpg


Iconic Performance: Whitney Houston's Super Bowl performance of "I Will Away's Love You"
http://rumorfix.com/wp-content/uploa...1/starwide.jpg


Iconic song: "I Will Always Love You"--- its a cover but it is widely associated with her. Thats her song.

Soulflower 11-21-2014 12:33 AM

Janet Jackson
 
Janet Jackson
Iconic Album: Rhythm Nation
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_N3iIJVXFka...s400/Front.jpg

Iconic Look: Rhythm Nation Look
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1...mnx7o1_500.jpg

Iconic Music Videos:

Rhythm Nation
http://thejosevilson.com/wp-content/...anetrhythm.jpg

Pleasure Principle
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-9gzPJ8yQpR...et+mirrors.gif


Miss You Much
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0...fe7uo8_250.gif

Alright
https://31.media.tumblr.com/9bdc2e2b...1wj4o2_250.gif


Thats The Way Love Goes
https://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m...j59do1_250.gif

Iconic performances: Janet Jackson 1987 performance at AMA's award show
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/Jjn3EGyjTZA/0.jpg

Iconic albums: Control, Rhythm Nation, Janet, The Velvet Rope

Black Francis 11-21-2014 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Soulflower (Post 1507132)
He is apart of a legendary group that made a significant impact on music.

Are you speaking on him as a solo artist?

Wait, Ozzy isn't iconic in your eyes but Janet Jackson is?

Soulflower 11-21-2014 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Black Francis (Post 1510834)
Wait, Ozzy isn't iconic in your eyes but Janet Jackson is?

He is by default because he was in an Iconic group

and yes Janet Jackson by definition is an Icon.

Soulflower 11-21-2014 11:40 AM

Prince
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_d0YPW7Wxb7...1600/prain.jpg

Iconic Moments:

Purple Rain Movie
http://www.posters-n-prints.com/zoom...in-posters.jpg

Iconic songs: Purple Rain, Kiss, When Doves Cry, The Beautiful Ones

Iconic Album:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...purplerain.jpg

Iconic Look:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ain_single.jpg

Soulflower 11-21-2014 11:44 AM

If people really think about these examples. One of these moments whether it was an album, movie, song etc still has relevance till this day because it made a cultural impact and we associate these moments with these artists. People still try to imitate these moments and things because of what they represent.


Just being popular does not make you an Icon once again, but thats just my 2 cents.

Chula Vista 11-21-2014 12:04 PM

I think that VH1 nailed it a few years back when they polled a ton of folks working in the industry.

VH1′s 100 Greatest Artists Of All Time | Thought Catalog

Disagree?

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