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Soulflower 11-24-2014 01:03 PM

Once again that is a generic definition for what it means to be an Icon because to be an Icon you have to do Iconic things not just be famous

Frownland 11-24-2014 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Soulflower (Post 1512343)
Once again that is a generic definition for what it means to be an Icon because to be an Icon you have to do Iconic things not just be famous

I think to be famous you have to do iconic things to a certain degree. Whether it's as iconic as some other moments is a matter of opinion. It's well documented in this thread that we see it differently so I'm going to stick to my famous=iconic opinion. Note that I did take it beyond just being famous by saying that they keep their household name status even when they're not plastered all over the media like Santana or Ozzy.

Soulflower 11-24-2014 01:12 PM

Marvin Gaye
 
Marvin Gaye --- Icon/Legend
http://www.okayplayer.com/wp-content...arvin-Gaye.jpg

Iconic Album:
http://www.irishtimes.com/blogs/onth...s-going-on.jpg

Iconic songs: Ain't No Mountain High Enough, To Busy Thinking Bout My Baby, Sexual Healing, Ain't That Peculiar, What's Going On, Got to Give it Up Part I&II

Legendary singing duo:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BKSWtfSEkX...errell-002.jpg
Marvin Gaye and Tammi Terrell

Iconic look:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-4...nim-Style3.bmp

Soulflower 11-24-2014 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1512345)
I think to be famous you have to do iconic things to a certain degree. Whether it's as iconic as some other moments is a matter of opinion. It's well documented in this thread that we see it differently so I'm going to stick to my famous=iconic opinion. Note that I did take it beyond just being famous by saying that they keep their household name status even when they're not plastered all over the media like Santana or Ozzy.



My point is, not every famous person will become an Icon like your definition implies.

It takes more than that. I understand that we all have different definitions but its just kinda generic to just say a famous person=an Icon.

Frownland 11-24-2014 01:37 PM

And generic=wrong?

Soulflower 11-24-2014 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1512359)
And generic=wrong?


I didn't say it was wrong.


In my opinion, your definition of Icon is generic.

Frownland 11-24-2014 01:55 PM

But what's bad about being generic? Doesn't that help give us a standard to define things by?

Soulflower 11-24-2014 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1512370)
But what's bad about being generic? Doesn't that help give us a standard to define things by?


Nothing bad about it just explain your reasoning.

You did not really give reasons for your definition which makes your definition vague and kinda meaningless.

All you did was this e.g. Famous person- Icon


Why do you think being famous alone makes someone an Icon?

Explain your reasoning.

I respectfully disagree.

Frownland 11-24-2014 02:21 PM

I don't see how that's vague, you just summed it up yourself so it sounds like you understand it but I've explained it a bunch of times in this thread, how about you explain what an iconic performance, album, or moment is? Because it doesn't seem very consistent wen you talk about Michael Jackson's distinctive outfits as iconic but write off Lady Gaga's as cheap gimmicks, among other things. I heard she releases albums too! What a gimmick whore!

Soulflower 11-24-2014 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1512377)
I've explained it a bunch of times, how about you explain what an iconic performance, album, or moment is? Because it doesn't seem very consistent wen you talk about Michael Jackson's distinctive outfits as iconic but write off Lady Gaga's as cheap gimmicks, among other things. I heard she releases albums too! What a gimmick whore!


Frownland boo relax.


I have explained countless of times what I feel makes an Icon, Iconic performance, Album etc. I even explain in detail in the original OP post.

So why do you feel I have not explained my point?

You on the other hand have not explained your reasoning.

Once again, can you please elaborate? I am interested in knowing.


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