Soulflower

Thanks for yours opinions!

Dressing half naked in music videos and parading around sexually is feminism to you?

Is that feminism to you because her brand markets it as such or is it feminism because that is what YOU think feminism is?

According to the real theory of feminism that is not what it represents.

She doesn't represent feminism and she has not "influenced girls towards feminism" that is just a fancy term she titled for her brand.

Its called marketing. I would advise you to look up what the term feminism actually means. I actually was meaning to start a thread on it here related to that in regards to music.

How so?

She comes across very vapid, boring and shows no charisma off stage.

So not sure how her is "persona" Iconic

Her stage persona is definitely not original which is why I don't get your legendary assumptions. She pretty much copies from Tina Turner and Janet Jackson. I also do not think she is a good dancer. Booty shaking is not dancing.

An example of an artist who had an Iconic persona would be Michael Jackson. He had a larger than life persona but that is because he was unique, had charisma and was interesting Beyonce is neither of those things.


Beyonce has million dollar marketing but none of her albums have sold above 5 million. Her album sells are poor and being popular at the at the moment still does not necessarily make someone an Icon.


IMO it does not. Her music is very boring as well as her personality.
She is not "interesting." Hell, Janelle Monae has a more interesting persona and of course music.


If that is your opinion I can respect it but I think her music sucks and she doesn't have any classic albums or songs.

Where is the Iconic groundbreaking music that will be remembered like the previous Icons before her?

She is just hype.

I don't think those songs are groundbreaking enough to call them legendary. Those songs simply have not impacted music to the point they are impeded in our culture.

James

It doesn't matter what I think feminism is, totally irrelevant. The point is she's brought it into the mainstream, and that will be having an affect on many young girls (and boys) even unconsciously.
Stage shows, what makes a classic album, a groundbreaking song - that's all subjective and not what makes an icon in my book. An icon speaks to a large body of people, changes things.
Beyonce is one of the biggest stars right now, and she certainly has potential to keep the momentum going. As well as looking strong and sexually liberated, her and Jay have this kind of Liz Taylor and Richard Burton power couple thing going on.
I love Countdown, one of my favourite songs of the last few years. The video is beautifully shot. The cuts are seem less and some of the decor and dancing is really interesting. Influenced by a variety of different styles. And she's certainly not half'naked and 'booty shaking' (which is dancing BTW, by definiton).
Hell, even the song is pretty cool the way it frequently changes tempo and time signature.

Soulflower

I think it matters because just because a singer is marketed as being one thing does not necessarily mean people are going to agree with how is being branded.

The reason why I asked you what your definition of feminism was and if you understand the meaning of it is because not all girls, women, people look at her as an accurate representation of what feminism is despite that being something she tries to "brand"

Also she is not the first to coin the phrase in the mainstream.

I still disagree with your argument that her bringing up feminism automatically means she will be legendary when there have been artists before her that were actual feminists and actually cared about social issues i.e. Aretha Franklin.

Coining a social term is more than just calling yourself a feminist and has more to do with how you implement the term with actions which Beyonce does not do lol She does not sing about social issues or equality. Her music is nothing more but generic disposable music.

Your making her fancy title of her "brand" more meaningful than what it actually is.

I think Iconic moments, legendary status and classic music is determined by the Public and so far she is not really viewed as any of these things by the public besides being popular. I never hear any of her of old songs play on the radio or her old music videos playing on television.

I am still bewildered with how her music is so groundbreaking and innovative.

I often hear people cite her being overrated more than anything else and I know fans of hers that think the same way as well.

You really don't think Beyonce is overly sexual explicit and provocative on stage and in her videos? Have you seen her latest videos?

You can like her but come on and I do not think what she does is dancing. She does not do intricate, rehearsed or complicated choreography.

Shaking your ass is not dancing.

I really appreciate your opinions!!!