No, I'm just curious why you feel dancing around on stage is a bad thing.

Pretentious much?

Reminds of the people who will only eat USDA Prime Cut Filet Mignon beef, and look down on people who are perfectly happy and content with a simple hamburger.

No, I don't really agree with that analogy. I moreso see it as someone who spends their time watching Blues Clues and playing Duck, Duck, Goose.

I'm not saying if someone enjoys a mainstream pop song they are less intelligent, I'm more so saying if that is your sole taste in music and you find it wholeheartedly engaging and fulfilling from an artistic standpoint, you probably lack the artistic intelligence to appreciate more complex art. I've never once seen someone discuss the theory or the emotional weight of a Katy Perry song. It is inherently less complex, and if your sole musical outlook is Katy Perry songs, you are artistically simple, in my eyes.

Nope. You are coming off very pretentious with that line of thinking. Some people love Beethoven. Some people love The Ramones. Some people love them both. Artistic intelligence is not the issue. It's what gets you off when you turn it up and listen.

I'm assuming you're a fan of Katy Perry.

Great comeback Bucky.

It wasn't a comeback. It was an assumption. If I look at the Katy Perry thread, am I going to see posts from you?

Dude (assuming you're a dude) I appreciate KP for what she does. She's a hell of an entertainer. The SB halftime show was spectacular. If a % of her fans decide to not go further than her as their fave musician it's all good.

I don't listen to KP at all unless it's being played in a place where I'm having lunch for the record.

And your comment about finding posts from me in the KP thread makes you look even more pretentious - for what it's worth.

You'll see posts from me. Call me artistically unintelligent.

I am in fact, a dude. Even if I wasn't a dude, you could still call me dude. Dude to me is a very gender neutral term. Thank you for your consideration, though, dude.

What place is this? I need to add it to my list of places I should be avoiding.

No, I wasn't implying that you are of lesser intelligence. I was implying that you are a fan of Katy Perry because you seem a little bit emotionally charged so I assumed I offended you.

Oh, I'm already onto you. No one is safe from my judgement.

I cordially invite you to loosen up and open yourself to the wonders of what theory can do with pop music.

Oh, I love pop music, actually. The Knife are my favorite of all time, probably. I love Perfume Genius, also, and Bjork, and Goldfrapp. I really loved FKA Twig's releases.

I love that Jacket tho. All that article really told me is that she lacks artistic variation and uses subliminal messages to brainwash people into liking her music.

The plot thickens.. illuminati tbh

Cool. How am I doing so far?

That's classified information.

You're not supposed to drink the bong water.

I like Manowar, Britney Spears, and the Insane Clown Posse. Come at me, bro.

He's done and he knows it. His attempts at wit to diffuse his earlier degrading posts have already fallen on deaf ears.

grtwhtgrvty: Start fresh and you'll do fine.

And for the record, I f*cking love this song and video.

I didn't even notice this gem before.

Done what? I even said I like some mainstream pop songs. If mainstream pop is your entire musical spectrum and you find it emotionally and artistically stimulating, to me, that is the equivalent of someone finding Blues Clues emotionally and artistically stimulating. Don't get me started on Lana Del Rey. I could go on and on about her. If you think this is the first time I've expressed this and gotten this type of reaction, you're wrong. Actually -- this place isn't as bad. On a majority of occasions where this is brought up, people try to justify artists like Lana Del Rey as innovative and progressive.

Hey now, let's be reasonable...

Are you thick as well as pretentious? WTF?

Random sampling of 10 artists in my current rotation:

Animals as Leaders
Pain as Salvation
Stravinsky
Jeff Buckley
Spock's Beard
Early Genesis
Zeppelin
Jing Chi
Katatonia
Max Webster

Try another approach dude.

Is it really not occurring to you that it might not exactly be endearing to someone to tell them that music they find emotionally stimulating and rewarding is worthless trash?

Like, you're not even restricting the commentary to the quality of the music itself. You're making a broad, snap judgment about people who, heaven forbid, associate with music you don't personally find substantial. If I said, for instance, that I thought iamamiwhoami's music was pretentious bullsh!t that uses visually glossy videos and obtuse riddles as a front to obscure its own musical hollowness, and that anyone who thought otherwise was deluded and up their own @ss, I can't imagine you'd have particularly warm feelings toward me.

You might say, "But that's such a direct and personal attack on my taste!"

Yes. Yes it is. I could have said my opinion (which, for the record, is not my own, I actually really like iamamiwhoami, but I was trying to make a point) about iamamiwhoami in a way that doesn't drag your own person into the foray.

Goofle shall rain down hellfire on you for this.

Dude listens to post-rock, (one of) the most derivative genre there is.

Broseph, never once was my commentary directed at you. It was more of a generalization. Stop getting offended. if you listen to a plethora of genres, I'm obviously not referencing you. I mean -- you're calling me thick, and yet you're the one misinterpreting everything I say and getting super offended when I'm clearly not even talking about you hunty.

iaamiwhoami is so amazing tho, right. N is one of my favorite songs as all time. I was reaaaaaally disappointed by Blue though. I wanted them to take more risks with that album. I found it visually and sonically, rather shallow (pun not intended).

And yes -- i probably would feel shafted by you. I didn't post this to seem endearing. The point of the thread was to post controversial opinions. Obviously my opinion is controversial. I wasn't sitting here thinking "Oh they are going to find my elitist point of view endearing." I was just trying to move the thread into a topic that was more... I don't know.. sane? I know I'm an elitist, pretentious ******* for thinking that, but I can't help what I think and at least I admit it. I don't know I think that's worth a lil somethin'.

I don't know I think there is a lot of innovation in the post rock genre, personally. But according to you, everything is derivative, so that's a contradiction because if every single piece of music and art is completely derivative, how can post rock be MORE derivative?

I'm ready and waiting. Lana Del Rey is a horrible person.

Because 95% of it sounds exactly the same

How does the silver Mt Sion sound like Explosions in the sky and how does Explosions in the sky sound like Swans?

How does 95% = 100%?

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/79/79ddb...03b8a93235.jpg

Okay but I just named the majority of post rock artists I listen to so how is your comment relevant

Guess it's not anymore

I listen to a lot of electronic dance music (not so much strictly pop/dance), and I have to agree with the OP. I am not much of a fan of the videos with generic party scenes, particularly if I think the song has more meaning than that. With that said, dance music isn't intended to be high art, generally speaking, and we're not curing cancer here.

Here is an example. You can experience this song in two ways: 1) listening first without watching the video, or 2) listening to the song while watching the video.

Will your choice affect how you view the song?



If you chose option #2, how did it affect your outlook? The song is somewhat of a generic dance song and the lyrics aren't good, but it's a fun song. However, the fact remains that those ladies look completely ridiculous.

I don't think it's an age-specific thing, per say, it is just that sometimes the dancing stuff looks silly. J-Lo being a recent example in her newer video. I mean, she's a mother and she's what, 40+ still acting like a young 20-something?

Now, the question is, what is the difference between dancing and, say, moshing or head-banging? Perhaps not much, as they are both body-movement activities. One's just deemed cooler than the other.

Explosions in the Sky is the kind of post rock I think is lame, and thousands of bands do the same thing. If you don't then good on ya.

Yeah I'd agree adding This Will Destroy You, Caspian, and The Antlers to that category they're all so bland.

The Antlers??? Not sure how they have anything to do with post-rock.

This Will Destroy You will always be a personal favorite of mine because they were one of the first post-rock bands I fell in love with. Young Mountain will always be a love of mine.

Idk I can definitely hear a Post-Rock influence on Hospice, especially on songs like Sylvia. It has a micro-crescendo aesthetic with lots of loud and quiet sounds. I admittedly don't listen to that album when I am looking for artistic innovation. I think that post-rock is kind of a lazy label for that album, though. I'd sooner call it dream pop / alternative folk.

Death Consciousness by Have a Nice Life is another amazing post rock influenced album. But Deathconsciousness is kind of in a realm of it's own and is way more post-punk / shoegaze / drone than anything else. Giles Corey doesn't have the post rock aesthetic even remotely but I think there is definitely an influence based on the way the songs are structured. Fun fact, the person behind Giles Corey is also the person behind Have a Nice Life.

Idk. People always reference Loveless by My Bloody Valentine as the quintessential shoegaze album but I've always thought Deathconsciousness blew it out of the water. Earthmover, the climax of the album, is easily one of the most beautiful songs I've ever heard, easily one of the most heart wrenching things, heartbreaking in a way only the man behind Giles Corey is capable of.

From what I've heard they're very close to style. And that's fair for This Will Destroy You I could say the same for Sigur Ros.

Explosions in the Sky is like the **** beer you buy when you first start drinking. It's enough to get you buzzed and you really enjoy it in your late teens - early 20's, but eventually you'll want to expand your palette and when you do you realize that there's so much better **** out there.

Disagree on the Antlers though, if only because Hospice is one of the most devastating albums ever recorded. Not the biggest fan of their later work, though.

I don't think Explosions in the Sky, Sigur Ros and This Will Destroy You sound much like each other. The only thing they have in common is the post-rock tag.

Yeah dude. With Hospice, it's really not about the artistry behind the music, moreso the devastating heartbreak that is being expressed.